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DGW1949 10-28-2007 10:07 PM

Mare with bathroom problems.....not for the squimish.
 
For the past 3 weeks, I've been working with a 6 YO, QH/TB(mix) mare who is the victim of neglect.
When I picked her up, she had been standing in a 30'X50' dirt pen and being fed about 2 Lbs of 10% pellets with a wafer of hay daily.
My guess is that she was/is close to 100 Lbs underweight.

Since I've had her, I phased-out the pellets and gradualy replaced that with a 12% sweet feed(which includes a vitamin/mineral package already mixed-in). She has 2 ACs of grass to graze in 24/7 and access to all the clean water that she can drink. I also give her 1/4 bale of hay a day,
She seems fine with the new diet and seems to be picking up weight. Hooves look good. Good energy. Coat looks fine. Other than her being way too skinny, nothing looks bad externaly at all.

However...........
Her stools don't look right. The consistancy is right but they are a yellowish color....not brown.
And when she urinates, it don't look right either. The color looks normal but the consistancy is all wrong. Not knowing exactly how to describe it, I'd have to say that it looks like 30W motor oil.
And it don't spray out, it sorta just falls out(like there's not enough pressure)...... if you get my meaning.

FWIW, she is pastured with a 4 YO, gelded QH who is quite healthy, eats the same diet, has normal bathroom functions and they get along very well.
Maybe too well.
I was watching them this afternoon and just by chance, she had a bowel movement while I was there. He walked over, sniffed the pile she had left and immeadiately began eating it. :shock: .
My first thought thought was that (maybe) her digestion aint right and the gelding knew that there was still usable food in there(?).

Does anyone here have any idea what is going on with my mare?
I've had horses in the past but I've never seen anything like this. And quite frankly, I don't know what to make of it.

Thanks.
DGW

horsegal101 10-28-2007 10:18 PM

i think u REALLY need to call ur vet asap.because that is just not right.i wonder also if she is getting some of the stuff out of her system that she was eating before even though u had her for three weeks.has her stool been like that from day one?if so i think the best thing to do is to call ur vet.

DGW1949 10-28-2007 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by horsegal101
i think u REALLY need to call ur vet asap.because that is just not right.i wonder also if she is getting some of the stuff out of her system that she was eating before even though u had her for three weeks.has her stool been like that from day one?if so i think the best thing to do is to call ur vet.

The Vet that I used in the past is closed weekends but I'm calling him tommorow morning. Thing is though.... he stays busy and it usualy takes several days for him to get out this way.

I also wondered if what she was eating before may still be effecting her. Aside from what the pror owner said was being fed, I did notice that she had stripped-off every leaf from the trees she colud reach at her old location.

I can't say just how long her stools have been yellow because I only noticed it today. They are pastured in an old hay feild and the grass is still so high that one would have to go look for the piles.
That is no doubt, my fault. I should have known to go look.

Thanks for the reply.
DGW

horsegal101 10-29-2007 12:59 PM

well i am not an expert on horses but i do know that is just not right.what kind of grass is in the pasture maybe she is havin a reaction to that.if she striped all the leaves off the trees in her old pasture it most likely means she was not getting anything at all to eat or what she was getting was not the right balance of minerals and vitamins so she ate the leaves in desperation for anything.if ur vet is not able to come out for a couple of days i would call a couple of other vets to check her out and have ur regular vet check her out also maybe another one might be able to check her out sooner.keep us posted.

Vidaloco 10-29-2007 01:24 PM

Please let us know what the vet says, you have my interest up :shock: I can see her manure being a bit off going onto grass from a hay diet, but the urine thing is a little alarming.

DGW1949 10-30-2007 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidaloco
Please let us know what the vet says, you have my interest up :shock: I can see her manure being a bit off going onto grass from a hay diet, but the urine thing is a little alarming.


My Vet has scheduled to be out this Thursday.......so's I'll post more, as soon as I know more.

And yes, I agree..... the urine-thing has me much more worried than the other. At present, all I know to do is to keep an eye on her and keep her drinking water squeaky-clean.

Thanks for your interest.
DGW

DGW1949 11-02-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DGW1949
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco
Please let us know what the vet says, you have my interest up :shock: I can see her manure being a bit off going onto grass from a hay diet, but the urine thing is a little alarming.


My Vet has scheduled to be out this Thursday.......so's I'll post more, as soon as I know more.

And yes, I agree..... the urine-thing has me much more worried than the other. At present, all I know to do is to keep an eye on her and keep her drinking water squeaky-clean.

Thanks for your interest.
DGW

Well...... here we go.....

Vet came out yesterday afternoon, poked 'n proded on her, ran some test, checked out some stool samples, took some blood and just by chance..... was able to get some urine for testing at his clinic.

For now, all we know about the urine-thing is that some sort of mucus(or other drainage) is getting in her urinary tract.
We'll know more about that later.
I will say however, that since my initial post, that particular problem has cleared-up quite a bit on it's on and that her urine looks more normal than it did 3 days ago.

Because of the amount of undigested hay which we found in her stools, he started her on Probos, which is micobial product for restoring the good-bacteria in her digestive tract. He left me 4 more doses of that and I'll be giving her one-daily untill it's used up.

Also while here, he wormed both horses with Ivermectin and suggested that both be put on an every-60-day worming program which aternates each time between the Ivermectin and Fenbendazole.

So far, that's all I know.

DGW

Vidaloco 11-03-2007 07:44 AM

Sounds like you have everything under control. I love the probios, I feed the treats when we travel to keep the girls "regular", great stuff! Your vet seems pretty thorough, hope the test results come back an easy fix.

Ryle 11-03-2007 10:42 AM

Did he by chance check her teeth? If you are SEEING undigested hay then her ability to chew would be the main question.

Sounds like you guys are going to get it all worked out. Glad she's doing better.

DGW1949 11-03-2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryle
Did he by chance check her teeth? If you are SEEING undigested hay then her ability to chew would be the main question.

Sounds like you guys are going to get it all worked out. Glad she's doing better.

I forgot to add that to my other post but yes, he did check her teeth.
FWIW.......he said they look perty-good but will need floated in about 6 months. At the time, I kinda wondered why I should wait that long but I was already trying to obsorb so much other information that I didn't ask.
And yes, on your other comment. One CAN see strands of hay in her stools.

Thanks for your input.
DGW


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