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Tha Horse Slave 12-13-2009 11:19 PM

Spoiled Paint likes to Rear! Any advice to stop this would be helpful!
 
So I get this 5yo green broke paint mare a few weeks ago. Dealer said she was green broke and bought from a local. I have been doing ground work like lunging, showmanship and long reining with her when the weather is fit in SE Ohio. I figured seeing as how she didn't know much I should start from the beginning and build a solid foundation first. We progressed to the riding stage after two and a half weeks of basic training on the ground. So the first couple of rides were fine. Just wanting to see what she did know about being ridden. I ride western and in a D ring pinchless snaffle. She is a smooth ride and seems willing enough until today. We started out fine until she got tired of turn on the haunches and forehand and stop and back all in random patterns. Today she was "I am over you riding me and making me work for a living and so I am going to half rear and you will get off and leave me alone!" I urged her forward with my legs and she starts shaking her head and bobbing up and down like a boye in the ocean. I spin her in circles left and right and make her work through this nonsense. She calms down and rides foreward until I ask again for a simple turn on the haunches which we had been doing for the last half hour or so fine before all this rearing crap started. Then she gets mad and starts the rearing crap again. I worked almost an hour to overcome this and finally found the opportunity to end the ride on a positive note with not much enthusiasum from my mare. I checked her tack and nothing was pinching or binding. I think that maybe a past rider just got off and gave up and left her alone when she acted like this and now I am left with a spoiled 900 pound brat! Any advice would be appreciated!

EveningShadows 12-13-2009 11:32 PM

Sounds like you handled it fine to me, make her acting up more work than behaving. And you have to get her moving forwards when she starts threatening to go up - when she starts with the head shaking, get her moving again...a horse can't go up if it's going forwards. It sounds like she's just hitting a frustrated moment...try backing it up, work on walk/whoa transistions for a bit, then go back to what she found frustrating. If it's not the tack and you've ruled out pain, then I see nothing wrong with how you handled it.

Interested to see other's comments...

Spyder 12-13-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Horse Slave (Post 489851)
She calms down and rides foreward until I ask again for a simple turn on the haunches which we had been doing for the last half hour or so fine before all this rearing crap started.

You have a young green broke horse and been asking for a more advanced movement for a 1/2 hour.:shock:


I would rear to get you off also.

kitten_Val 12-13-2009 11:56 PM

She was just telling you it's enough. Riding horse should not be just hard work all the time. They have limits too. If you feel she's really tired then just give her a break and do something easy, something she knows for sure: just walk around or may be even it's time to finish the lesson.

BTW, if the horse rears I wouldn't back it. It may start rearing even more.

EveningShadows 12-14-2009 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kitten_Val (Post 489876)
She was just telling you it's enough. Riding horse should not be just hard work all the time. They have limits too. If you feel she's really tired then just give her a break and do something easy, something she knows for sure: just walk around or may be even it's time to finish the lesson.

BTW, if the horse rears I wouldn't back it. It may start rearing even more.


I didn't mean LITERALLY backing her up, I meant back up what you're doing and go back to something you know she knows to get her confident in herself again, then try the turning on the haunches again. This is also why I said to get her moving forwards again, so that up isn't an option...I do agree that half the riding should be fun for the horse, the other half educational and lesson like.

kitten_Val 12-14-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by EveningShadows (Post 489894)
I didn't mean LITERALLY backing her up, I meant back up what you're doing and go back to something you know she knows to get her confident in herself again, then try the turning on the haunches again. This is also why I said to get her moving forwards again, so that up isn't an option...I do agree that half the riding should be fun for the horse, the other half educational and lesson like.

Oh, I'm sorry. I certainly misunderstood you. :)

strawboss 12-14-2009 07:56 AM

you're getting some good advice here. be careful to not let her win on this one. a rearing horse is dangerous. you already know that. a green horse who doesn't know alot and doesn't have the muscle tone can get confused and sore with too much too soon. take your time and work up to the place you want to go without over doing it. finishing on a positive note is a good thing. be careful to not let her think her rearing is the reason you are quiting for the day. also pet and mess with her after the session.
good luck and take her out on a trail ride.

Tha Horse Slave 12-14-2009 09:03 AM

Well after a little detective work on my part I tracked down the previous owners. Turns out the rearing thing is her "times up" signal as she did it to them too. The previous owner says and I quote "Dolly would be fine and then when she didn't want anyone to ride anymore she would half rear and the kids and I would quit because we didn't want anyone hurt. The kids got scarred and didn't want to ride or mess with her anymore so I sold her. I had a Amish kid come over to try and break her of this and he just smacked her between the ears with the reins when she reared. (Mystery solved on the head shyness issue!) I didn't want to do that so we just stopped riding her. I hope we did the right thing. I didn't know what else to do. We do miss watching her out in the feild."
Thanks lady.
And no, I was doing simple basic things with her to see what she did know. A kindergarden review if you will. She does know how to do a half turn around (on the rail going one way and then stopping and turning in to go the other.) We were doing baby steps and building on what we had in the turns department. Not advanced reiner spins on the haunches! She had been doing them fine along with the whole walk, stop, back for maybe just barely a half hour when she decided to throw a fit. I have been increasing her training time gradually over the past couple of weeks too and we were up to an hour or so of light work sessions and getting her aclimated to doing something besides standing around. Yes, after and between fits we did go back to things she was good at until she mellowed out and then I would ask for a step to the left (to the inside off the rail) to turn around and go the other way and she would go light on the frontend again. I urged her foreward and turned circles in both directions keeping her feet moving forward instead of up. I rewarded the good with praises and pats and forwarded the rearing the way I was taught long ago. We ended the session on a positive and did things she was good at then cooled out with showmanship set up work. Thanks for the advice so far everyone.

PechosGoldenChance 12-14-2009 09:29 AM

Hmmm...I'm not really sure about this one. It does sound like she's letting you know she's done, but if its only been a half hour, than she's just being a brat like you said. When you first asked her to turn on the haunches, both to the left and to the right, and she did it good, than stop right there with the turning on the haunches, praise her a lot and go to something else that she knows. I wouldn't do the same thing over and over again, because after a while, I would get bored too. I know you do other stuff inbetween but that doesn't matter. If she does it right the first time, back off and wait until tomorrow or something and do it again. But that's just me. I do not think you did anything wrong, except that, and that doesn't mean you did it wrong it just means that you did it too much. I would even give her a day off and go to the trails or something jsut to get her out of the ring. BTW, I know how the weather is here in Ohio too (it's hard to get out sometimes) I live here but I live in Cuyahoga Falls, so I think we get hit a little harder with the crappy weather than you do lol.

5cuetrain 12-14-2009 11:38 AM

900 pounds sounds a little light to me. At that weight she should only carry about 140 -150 pounds tack and rider.

Also remember that she is not it shape to do the things you ask for that time period. Get her fit-ramp up the work as she progresses.

Rearing is a real bad habit and it sounds like its a real bad habit that has worked for her. Two choices--get her fit and add work as she gets fit--stop before she feels overworked and then see if the rearing goes away or push her real hard and deal with it now. I would vote for option 1.


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