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greenhaven 08-02-2014 01:21 PM

Three days out from trim, horse still sore
 
It has been three days since the new trimmer came out to assess our progress and touch up Tuesday’s feet. He said I was doing really well, which made me happy, then we talked about a few things that needed to change, most of which I already knew and just needed guidance on.

Here is a link to her album of photos I took the day before her pro trim:

July 29 2014 Photos by greenhaven | Photobucket

Her feet were not long, at all, as I have been tweaking them at least every week in an effort to get her bars and flaring under control. The bars have come such a long way! The point is, there was not much hoof wall to take, and her heels were only tweaked down a wee little bit.

Nevertheless she was very tender on the fronts after the trim and remains tender today, although better. And I do not know why, unless she really needs a little hoof wall to protect her thin soles. He took absolutely no sole, since there was no exfoliating sole to take, essentially down to live sole. He absolutely obeyed the sole in every change he made.

But she is not comfortable. Here are pics I took this morning. Please not that although her bars still have some work to do they are not as drastic as they appear in the photos. It is mostly angle and dimension that makes them appear more radical than they are. I also tweaked the bars a wee little bit, scraping off a couple high spots and slivering back some from the side.

I think all her foot albums (labelled by date) are public, so feel free to poke around to assess how things have changed over time. But bear in mind she was away from me in IL from late December to late April.

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So, two things:
1. I still have some casting material Trinity sent me many moons ago that I never used, and I am tempted to apply it for a week or two while she grows some foot out. Is this of benefit for her? I do not have boots or I would have padded and booted her.

2. Do you think she needs more foot or more heel than her foot is saying? She is a big, solid girl, although way under-muscled, and has naturally small feet.

I know it may seem like I am a little obsessive about this, but here is the thing: Tuesday is an older mare with pain issues, and it is important that I know her feet are the best they can absolutely be, because if I have done everything I can to address her pain I need to consider other avenues. She is already on a daily maintenance dose of Previcoxx.

P.S., sorry those had to be resized. Photobucket made an executive decision to reset my photo upload automatic resize.

greenhaven 08-02-2014 01:24 PM

Here are some pictures of her whole self. I had to ask her to stand square in the front, normally she points that right front. She is also toeing out pretty hard in the hind, now, but she did not used to. I mostly contribute that to lack of muscling. I did not think to get one from behind.

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This is far more typical for her:

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Patty Stiller 08-02-2014 07:02 PM

The front hooves are trimmed a little too short. The beveled edge extends into the outer edge of sole and doing that will make a lot of horses sore. So next trim ,some hoof wall MUST be left extending beyond the sole a little bit even an eighth inch of wall makes a huge difference. The inner (un-pigmented) layer of wall is supposed to share the load with the outer edge of sole.

Also if you have some hoof wall sticking out beyond the sole in the front half of the foot, THEN the break over can be easily placed back where it belongs without risking a sore horse. You can not do that at this time because there is no hoof left to work with.

By leaving enough hoof wall then you could rasp the break over at the ELPO mapped line across the toe, and round up the edges without having all the wall disappear at the toe corners those two spots about ten and two o'clock are where most horses get sore when trimmed too short because they lie over the corners of the coffin bone.

You can try the casting, or try hardening the soles with a caustic sole hardener such as string iodine, or Rickens 'sole freeze', or Durasole.
Or just keep her in a soft place until she regrows some foot, OR put her in boots for a while. And stop trimming as frequently. There is usually no need to re trim horses every few weeks . Once a month or even once every two months is fine . They NEED to be able to create some callous round the edges so quit taking it off .

greenhaven 08-02-2014 07:26 PM

Thanks a ton, Patty! She has free access to "grass" (although it is mostly real short) in sandy soil and a pea gravel dry lot. Is the pea gravel "soft enough? She does not seem to mind spending time there.

I also should have clarified a couple of things:

When I say "trimming" I mostly meant that I was rasping wall as her sole shed out. And I have not touched her sole in about three weeks, because once the pea gravel went down in the drylot she took care of it all on her own. After the last pro trim in July she started throwing dead sole right and left. I also meant that I was slivering off those overlaid bars.

Thanks again! I really appreciate your help!

Trinity3205 08-03-2014 03:29 PM

This isnt the same trimmer is it? Did he not trim the bars at all? They dont look trimmed to me. He should have trimmed the walls like he did the bars and trimmed the bars like tha walll! lol. They are still laid over. He def. overtrimmed the wall. Cast or durasole and let it grow some. The feet look good to me now finally except still some still laid over bars and the overtrimmed wall.

Trinity3205 08-03-2014 03:31 PM

Look at this photo. See the bar imbalance? There is a bar hump here id shave down. Id check all the feet for this.
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greenhaven 08-03-2014 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trinity3205 (Post 5942130)
Look at this photo. See the bar imbalance? There is a bar hump here id shave down. Id check all the feet for this.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...e.jpg~original

Yes, absolutely! He did not trim bars at all, but I did, myself, but after I took those photos. Just sliced down the lumpy parts and little from the outside edges of the ones that are really laying over. If there is anything MC taught me more than anything it is "leave nothing that will jam!" lol They are coming back, believe me. The pictures make it look worse than it is, even though there is definitely still work to do. In that particular foot the bar definitely needed some smoothing down, but it's laying over more than the other one also makes it look higher than it actually is.

Not the same trimmer. Liked the other one better, but it will be a lot more difficult to get her back up here. I'll cast her up this afternoon, thanks. For the advice AND for the material!

Saddlebag 08-03-2014 06:39 PM

What are your trimmer's qualifications? Is he a full blown farrier with schooling behind him and an apprenticeship or a week end wonder? I suspect the latter. They are popping up all over the place like dandelions.

greenhaven 08-03-2014 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saddlebag (Post 5943386)
What are your trimmer's qualifications? Is he a full blown farrier with schooling behind him and an apprenticeship or a week end wonder? I suspect the latter. They are popping up all over the place like dandelions.

No, he went to traditional farrier school and has been in this trade for fifteen years. When the economy crashed all his clients with shod horses were looking for a cheaper solution he started exploring barefoot principles and practices. The results were so good he eventually got nearly all his clients going barefoot. He is new to Michigan but still flies back to AZ and FL once every eight weeks to tend clients' horses.

We had a good long talk before I let him touch my horse, and I have been studying enough to be comfortable with his knowledge level.

Trinity3205 08-03-2014 11:06 PM

Why didn't he trim the bars? Any particular reason? I sure hope its not because Pete Ramey says dont touch them. So tired of that being the reason bars go overgrown


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