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CecilliaB 01-24-2010 12:05 AM

Offering her butt
 
So the filly I picked up hasn't been handled very much. I can catch her up with a few minutes but she doesn't walk over or anything. The thing is the breeder likes to teach her foals to offer their butts first so thats what she does.....I have never heard of this before. Anyone else heard of this before? In 20 odd years it's totally new to me.

MIEventer 01-24-2010 12:09 AM

So she turns her butt to you? Never heard of that, I wonder why her breeders prefer that?

I wouldn't permit it, if my horse swung his butt to me, that is saying "F You" and if he did that, I'd wave my arms/hands and hiss at him.

I have had babies in my past, and I've worked with and trained OTTB's - they've tried it, but I would nip that in the butt *no pun intended* right away.

I would find out their reasoning behind this theory

Lovehorsesandrunning 01-24-2010 12:10 AM

No im prety sure horses are not supposed to do that, there needs to be some way for her to train her to not do that because that just makes it easier for her to kick you or run you into a wall. ex.

CecilliaB 01-24-2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MIEventer (Post 531027)
So she turns her butt to you? Never heard of that, I wonder why her breeders prefer that?

I wouldn't permit it, if my horse swung his butt to me, that is saying "F You" and if he did that, I'd wave my arms/hands and hiss at him.

I have had babies in my past, and I've worked with and trained OTTB's - they've tried it, but I would nip that in the butt *no pun intended* right away.

I would find out their reasoning behind this theory

I take it as an insult to....horses don't turn their butts to each other when they introduce themselves...not unless they don't like each other.

Yes, she will walk over then sidle up side ways and shove her butt at me to be scratched. I spoke with the breeders daughter not the lady directly (I guess she's very ill which is why they are selling all their horses). She said this is just how her mother does it with all the babies. She was right to cuz when I walked out into the pasture all the babies turned their butts to me to be scratched. It sounds totally bazar and dangerous.

You can tell she's never had anything done with her head cuz when I was first trying to touch her face she would just turn around again or run off. I had a good 5 minutes of just loving on her face, ears and neck before I left the barn tonight so hopefully she will realize the attention is given to the front and not back end ;)

FlitterBug 01-24-2010 12:19 AM

I have actually just recently heard of this and personally wouldn't train a horse this way. Some mini breeders that I know (not the most reliable horse sources by any means) train their minis to do this. Something about getting them used to things approaching from behind them, shadows over top of them, etc. I remember something about a giant bird being in the explanation, but I'm pretty sure I was zoning out by then, may have even been day dreaming.

I have a mini, he walks straight up, puts his head in the halter, and to my knowlege has no fear of anything swooping in from behind. If anyone else has any reasons for the "butt" method, I would love to hear them. If it were me I think I would change that habit asap. I personally like my horses to be able to look at me and walk up to me without swinging butts into me.

CecilliaB 01-24-2010 12:22 AM

What would be one BIG freaking bird....

snoggle 01-24-2010 12:27 AM

That seems insane. I'd love to hear any other rationale for this. I would take it as an insult or even a threat from a horse. It seems like it would make them head shy (like yours seems to be thus far).

Yeah, I don't want them freaking out if something comes up behind them, but there are other ways to accomplish that.

Dani9192 01-24-2010 01:47 AM

this doesn't make any sense to me, maybe a small amount of sense with the mini's but really when is a ridiculously huge bird going to swoop out of the sky right above your horse? lol why would you want to do it though? it's not a submissive behavior, at least i'm almost positive. when does she turn her butt to you? when you're catching her or something?

trailhorserider 01-24-2010 02:23 AM

I've known a couple of adult horses to do that- because they loved getting their butts scratched! I don't mind the "insult" in the two cases I have known, because I know the horses intentions are just to get a good scratch, but it would be a rather alarming trait if I didn't know the horses ahead of time.

Personally, when I want to get lovey-dovey with my horses, I scratch around their withers, chests and necks. They seem to like it there and you don't have a horse turning butt-first towards you. Maybe that is something to try with your filly, ignore the butt and start scratching her in the wither/neck area. They maybe you will get a front-first presentation. :lol:

MacabreMikolaj 01-24-2010 02:48 AM

Aaaahhhhhh. I was a little confused at first, but when you explained a little more, I can tell you almost exactly why she does this.

It's not a "training method" per say. All horses like their butts scratched, and foals even more then most. I swear you can scratch a baby's butt for thirteen hours and not have them get bored. So if "proper" training isn't able to be done, by always scratching their butts, she's made them "half-assed" catchable. It's not that she's necessarily been purposely trained to turn her butt to you, but with lack of handling, she's learned that's about the only thing you're good for and the only reason why you're there, so her owner has encouraged this behaviour in her foals to prevent them from becoming scared of humans.

Either way, I would never encourage it. I don't mind it in adult horses, Eve does it all the time, it's hilarious - if you're standing the pasture, she'll zero in on you and then as precisely as backing up a Mac truck into a stable, she backs her butt into you. She'll stop about two inches away, glance back, and if you haven't commenced scratching, she'll carefully back up so her tail brushes you as reminder. In a horse like Eve, I do not mind this - she has already been taught that kicking isn't acceptable, and she ONLY does it if we're standing around scratching other horses. She has learned it's ok to do if we're standing around solely for the purpose of scratching bums.

In an unhandled youngster who's never learned kicking isn't acceptable, it's definately something I would work to correct. This will be much easier once you have her on your own property and can work on getting her handled more and teach her that facing you for treats is more fun then having a bum scratched. As soon as she learns that grain is yummy, I can pretty much guarantee that by standing behind her and shaking a bucket and refusing to scratch her, she'll start turning around on her own. Reward her properly for this action. I would not resort to any scare tactics because she's not doing it aggressively, she just thinks that's how it's done. Good luck!


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