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hello all... well my tennessee walker has lunging issues. When i lunge he runs...and thats not so much the problem as he runs maybe half a circle the abruptly stops and turns toward me. i have been working with him a long time on this. I just make him move again. but we're lucky if he does a complete circle. so any tips would be great. thanks so much :)
maybe try free lunging thats more natural to them :D i've had a lot better luck with free lungeing then normal lungeing on the lunge line
Yea, maybe try free lounging her. Also, how long is your lunge line? Gaited horses have to brace in their ribs to gait and the smaller the circle you put them on the harder it is for them to move, so I would use at least a 22 ft. line. That way the horse can easily and freely move.
Yeah what i did with my horse was i had him free loungin in a round pen so he would have his space and then after he got better at free lounging i put a lead rope on him & still kept him in the round pen and then he just got better to wear i didnt have to ahve the round pen nomore :) maybe somehting u can figure out to do :) :)
Free lounging is good, but some don't have access to a round pen in all circumstances.
Check your body language. You should be standing in a triangular shape. If you are too far past their shoulder he will turn in because that's his natural inclination.
try this link:
Also you can try tapping his shoulder when he begins to move in.
msaddle has it right. You need to be very careful of what you are "telling" your horse to do with your own body language. Focus on staying in line with his butt rather than his head or shoulder area. Think of pushing him forward from his hind end. When he starts going around in the circle, really emphasize that you are asking him to drive forward with his hind end. You can even point your lounge whip towards his butt to help keep yourself in the correct position and give him "energy" to keep going. I like to think of the lounge whip as an "energy stick". Every time your horse even thinks about stopping or slowing down when you don't want him to, you'll have to give him some "energy" by snapping the whip. Your lounging circle might not be perfectly round during these sessions and that's ok. You'll need to let his front end go where his hind end takes him for right now. You'll also be moving with his hind end, maybe it will seem like you are chasing him a bit (that's ok). Let some slack in the lounge line so that he doesn't feel restricted and only give him a tug every now and then to help direct him when he needs to go in a different direction.
First, get yourself in a round pen or smaller area, to give him more distinct boundaries. This really does help.
Horses read body language more than they listen to voice or whips when you're on the ground. You need to use your body language to project what you want. Horses have a "drive line" that depending on how you position yourself, will send their energy forward or backward. The drive line is right at the horse's girth line. If you keep your body behind that point and focuse your energy on your horse's hip, he WILL go forward, and keep going forward until you "tell" him otherwise.
Say he's going clockwise, tracking right. The lunge line should be in your right hand, held at hip/waist height. Keep it off the ground. Your lunge whip should be in your left hand, pointed at his hip, with the end towards (or on) the ground. Only lift it when you need to cue him, otherwise keep it pointed at the ground. If you have a really sensetive horse, then you can point it out to the left side, or even reverse it, so it's pointing behind you.
Your body should be behind his drive line at all times, so you're parrallel with his barrel. LOOK at his barrel or hip, stand up TALL, shoulders back, look UP, and command his attention. Send your energy to his hip. Watch his feet. When he starts to slow, take a step toward his rear and flick or crack your whip behind his heels. Say whatever word or noise you make for "faster" (I say "Trot-On", "Gallup", Walk-On", or cluck/kiss, depending on what gait the horse is in and how much enouragement they need). Be sure you're still standing tall and use a low, but authoritative voice. Don't yell or get high picthed; horses have very good hearing. You could whisper and he'd still hear you :wink:. Keep your tone even, but firm. As soon as he speeds up, take your step back to the middle, point the whip to the ground, but KEEP looking at his barrel/hip and be sure your body is still behind the drive line.
Once he understands forward (in BOTH directions) at whatever gait he perfers, THEN you can work on getting him under control. I don't like to confuse a horse that's already obviously confused, so one thing at a time, :wink:.
Now that he understands to go forward when you say so, you can start fine tuning him. The best way to do this is to learn how to "half halt" from the ground. You use your body to say "hey! look at me and chill!". Get him going nicely around your circle. Wait until he's calm and in a good rythm. (Still tracking right) Step to your right and in towards his head a half step, look at his head, keep the whip down or behind you, and say "EASY" in your calm but firm voice. Watch his legs closely, as soon as you see him "pause" step back and to the left, maintaining your "go forward" position. You don't want him to break gait, you simply want him to "think" and slow down a bit.
If he breaks gait and slows to a trot or walk, or tries to stop and turn in, don't get frustrated or mad, just send him back out. This means that he is sensitive to you and you need to use less "force". Next time, just take a step to the right, not in toward him, say "Easy", then step instantly back to where you were. Tell him "Good Boy" when he does it right, so he understands what you're looking for.
The in hand "half halt" is a powerful communication tool between you and your horse. Once you have his total understanding and respect, you can half halt your horse when he's 100 feet away 8). You might need to get his attention first though, lol.
Use the same technique to get your horse to transition down, stop, stop and turn in, or stop and roll back using varrying levels of "force". You just have to play around to find what works best for your horse. To stop and roll back, you'll need to change your whip and lunge line hands, and continue to "drive" the horse in the new direction, withough chasing him. First practice Stop & Turn In, then send him in the new direction. I use the word "turn" as the horse is turning in the new direction, so you haveone more cue to confirm what you want. Once he's doing well with that, try picking up the pace to see if you can get a stop and roll back, and then even more advanced to a straight roll back. You do NOT want to try this though until your horse is calm on the line and 100% listening to you, and you've gotten to where you know all his buttons.
Lunge line and round pen work is an excellent way to bond with your horse and fine tune his training. Once you have him going well on the ground, you'll find your undersaddle works goes even better!
Well I thought i was doing everything about right but i find myself walking around when i lunge. I'm using a 26 ft lunge line. I've been working on what you guys are saying and he seems to be doing better. I've always used a round pen so i'm still working on the lunging thing. I'm going to build a round pen this summer but i will still lunge. I like well rounded horses :wink: He is 5 years old but i've been to lazy to actually teach him to gait so i have a walker that doesn't gait :lol: his trot is incredibley bumpy. But his canter is incredible. But i'm working with him on leg cues. Hes that kind of horse you apply pressure and he thinks "oh...you want me to go faster" lol but we are working on that. could that have anything to do with the body language? like the whole bubble figure.(i step forward and the bubble around me pushes him out. if that makes any sense :lol:
If you get a chance, you should buy Clinton Andersons Gaited horse DvD's. They talk about lunging gaited horses and about getting your horse to naturally gait.
Trotting and cantering is easier for a horse than gaiting, so he is probably on the more lazy side and doesnt want to gait. (please dont take that as an insult, its not meant to be). The Clinton Anderson tapes helped me a lot with my TWH.
PS: You can get them cheap on ebay
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