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SPhorsemanship 04-05-2010 04:40 PM

Looking for pictures and video clips for a youtube video.
 
I am making a youtube video and I need some pictures and video clips.
The youtube video is about natural horsemanship and horse abuse(sort of). What I mean by horse abuse isn't completely whipping and not feeding but also just not listening to the horse and yanking on their mouths. I have already picked out the songs and I'm ready to start looking for clips and pictures.
I want to have full permission for the clips that is why I am asking, I don't want to just steal other people's clips. So here is what I am looking for:

Video clips(or full videos) and pictures of:
1) Straight out horse abuse: whipping, starving, beating etc.

2)horse sport: horses sweating, people yanking on mouths, whips, spurs, overtired horses, facial expressions of horses and riders too

3) What most people would call a horse "misbehaving"=bucking, rearing, bolting, biting, aggression-can also be under saddle

4)Falls-falling off your horse

5)showing the beauty of horses: power, strength, beauty, speed, freedom (can be free or under saddle)

6)Natural horsemanship: bareback, tricks, bridleless, lunging

7)other things that you have that may fit into the category-just tell me

If you give a clip of your horse misbehaving(anything from categories 1-4) I will use them in the "horse abuse" section(not really all horse abuse). It does not mean that what you or your horse(or anyone else) did was necessarily bad, I am just using it to help convey the message of the video. I am in no way criticizing you, any specific discipline or use of certain tack. I will not be putting anything "anti-bit" into the video(I do not believe in that because bits, used properly can really help horse and human communicate".

You will get credit for your clip or picture at the end of the youtube video in the credits. It will be your first and last name(if you want I can include your middle name) and I will not say which clip is yours. If you have a youtube account I will not put your youtube username into the credits.

You MUST own the clips, however, it does not have to be you or your horse in the clip. It can be from anywhere-shows, clinics, etc. I will not sub for sub.

JustDressageIt 04-05-2010 04:49 PM

May I ask what this video will be used for? (i.e. what is the goal of the video?)

SPhorsemanship 04-05-2010 04:58 PM

Yes, good question. As I've said, it is not to criticize anything. I want to show people the mistreatment, misunderstanding, and bad relationships between some horses and humans as well as a natural and free approach that can be created. I want to show how some show horses are run into the ground for the winning of the rider. I forgot to mention that it will probably be featuring Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling.
So, the main goal of the video is to give a message to people about the bad side with horses and the good side.

JustDressageIt 04-05-2010 05:33 PM

Yes... there are good and bad sides no matter what discipline or method of training you do. I could post photos of my horse bucking and 'misbehaving' on the lunge line (read: blowing off steam) but in the context you're describing, I would kind of be shooting myself in the foot saying that my training method is incorrect and that I'm 'abusing' my horse.
I would also like to point out that while someone might have a clip of a horse that isn't theirs misbehaving or being abused, unless you have explicit permission from the horse owner and handler in the video, you might be stepping into a relative grey area of what would be considered "acceptable" advertising.

If I may offer some advertising advice... I would stay away from the whole "this is bad, our method is good" type of advertising. When I see that type of propaganda, I'm more liable to criticize the program that put the video out than look at it in a good way. You're better off to show off your program in the best light you can, rather than using fear/anger tactics.

SPhorsemanship 04-05-2010 06:09 PM

I really am not trying to make any kind of riding look bad because as you have said there are bad sides to everything. Your horse blowing off some steam probably wouldn't even fit into this video. I don't really consider playful or exited bucking anything bad, I would maybe even put that in the natural horsemanship side because if you are letting your horse express itself and letting him get his energy out, there is nothing bad there, that is good. I'm actually trying not to say anything about a particular method either, and thank you for pointing out that I have used the term natural horsemanship. Do you have any ideas as what I could say instead of "natural horsemanship". I just want to say that people should listen to the horse. i.e. give the horse a voice.

I'm considering changing the video topic to something more specific after hearing what you have said. I think many people will interpret the video the wrong way. Tell me what you think of these ideas
1)The bit: how it can be cruel and how it can be a very good way to communicate with a horse.
2)horses sport: the bad sides(overtiring, abuse,bits,spurs etc.), how it has changed,
3)classical(including baroque riding) vs. modern dressage
4)The whip: just like the bit-misuse and proper use. How the proper use makes the communication between horse and rider much better
5)Art of horsemanship: the communication between horse in human. not "natural horsemanship"
6)Natural horsemanship: how it has been carried away and is now mainly to make money. eg.parelli(in most cases)

Mike_Admin 04-05-2010 06:20 PM

Hello SPhorsemanship,

Will the video you are soliciting submissions for be used to promote a particular website, product, or service?

SPhorsemanship 04-05-2010 06:32 PM

No it's just to show some of the bad aspects of being with horses that too many people show a blind eye to.

SPhorsemanship 04-06-2010 05:57 PM

bump is anyone interested?


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