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LoveStory10 04-17-2010 01:39 AM

My BEAST! Aka Love Story =]
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Here's my girl jumping diff. heights, at different places. The ones at home are okay, but the show ones are abit bad (moms and cameras!!) but anyway, what do you think of Love?

I know my heels are awful in these, Im sorry, Im working on them :)
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What do you think of Love? And I know I'm not great but hey, I try

LoveStory10 04-17-2010 02:57 AM

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Here's a few more:

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And warming up:
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lol, please guys! I know I'm bad, but Love cant be that bad surely? :D:-|

dantexeventer 04-17-2010 02:50 PM

I think it would be in your - and your horse's - best interest to hold off on jumping for a few weeks while you really solidify your basics. In all of these pictures, you've lost your leg, thus propelling your upper body forward, and your clutching at her mouth for balance. See her pinned ears in some of the pictures? She's uncomfortable - and you want to fix yourself before she decides it's easier to start refusing.
You really need to work on your leg. At the moment you're standing on your toe and launching off of it - you need to educate it to stay at the girth, with the weight in the heel and an even contact throughout. Work on two point - lots and lots of two point. Work without stirrups, too. Try tying your stirrup leathers to the girth at first so you can feel exactly what your leg should be doing. Do trot-poles, cavalletti, etc in your two point. Focus on not moving AT ALL except for a BIG release with your hands only - not your body!
When your leg is suitably educated to begin jumping again, do what you were doing with the trot poles, but make them into small jumps instead. Come into them in two point, push your weight down into your heels, and a stride or two out, release. Hold that release through the line - let your mare figure it out. They usually do that better than we do!
I like your focus in these pictures - you're looking ahead, rather than down, which is very good. Don't change that! ;)
I think your mare has the potential to be quite a cute little jumper, but right now she also needs more education on the flat. I think a lot of people forget just how important dressage is to the overall equation. Right now (judging by the flat pictures) you're riding her downhill, with little to no leg aids, and using your inside rein to turn her. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote to someone else about the dressage basics - read it, learn it, do it! It'll make such a monumental difference in your riding.

Originally Posted by dantexeventer (Post 605582)
A lot of aspiring dressage riders focus entirely on that lovely, round outline we see Moorlands Totilas et al. trotting about in, but the part you need to be training is the rear-end. Roundness will come in time, and isn't necessary at the beginning levels anyway. The first thing to work on is forwardness - you want him happily moving off your leg at all three gaits, and slowing and halting off of your leg and seat. Experiment a little - you'll notice that when you get up in jumping position, he'll speed up, and when you sit back down he'll slow down. This is good, as it teaches you a powerful lesson about what you can do with your body, and it's the basis for everything to come. Work on adjusting your posting to what you want from him - in the beginning you'll want to post lightly (no butt-smacking) to encourage that big, forward stride. Later on, you can sit longer than you rise to help him shorten his stride, and when his back is educated and your seat is too, you can sit and make micro-adjustments via the motion of your hips.
He looks a little resistant to the bit and is turning to the outside. Have his teeth been checked lately? Make sure that's all in order, and then you can work on the education of his mouth (after you've got him forward-going and relaxed!). Your outside rein should be stable and steady - an ever familiar thing for him to rely on. Your inside rein can mimic that to an extent, but with 'gives' - second-long softenings of the rein to encourage and reward yielding, flexing, etc. At this point you can teach a basic half-halt - using the educated seat you will have attained, sit deeply for a stride as you would if you were asking for a down transition, squeeze slightly with your leg, and slightly pressurize the reins (no pulling!) - then GIVE. If you don't get any response, give anyway. The half-halt request should only last a stride - if you don't succeed, give and ask again. Make that your cardinal rule for everything!!
Once you've both learnt balance, go, stop, turn, all that fancy stuff, you need to address straightness. OK, well, ideally you should address this right after "go." Work on easy leg-yields, shoulder-ins, haunches-in, etc. With a green horse, it is preferable to get one good step of a movement than twenty iffy steps. Instead of turning down centre line and leg-yielding to the wall, turn down quarter line and ask for a step or two, straighten and go forward, ask for a step or two, etc. Same with shoulder-in, except on the wall of course. Start by riding an accurate ten-metre circle in the corner to get your horse in the correct position, and then proceed.
I also think that working with an instructor will help immensely. Learning dressage is kind of like memorizing an encyclopedia - you don't want to just dive in a do it all in one go. Having someone there to present everything to you in managable chunks is so much better than learning it all at home and then trying to remember while you ride! :)


Originally Posted by dantexeventer (Post 592372)
Rather than equitation (although it is important), we need to analyze our riding pictures for function. Although your basic eq is pretty good, you need to be more of a 'rider' and less of a 'passenger.' Now, this is all just from one picture, but in this shot you're very much riding 'front-to-back,' when the opposite is what you want. What I'm infering from this picture is that you want your horse in a 'frame' (hate that word.), but you haven't taken the necessary steps to get that nice, round outline we english riders like so much. If you take a look at the training scale:
you will see that collection - or, the time when roundness and on-the-bit comes into play, is the very last factor. Everything else needs to be in place first. What I'm seeing is a lack of hind end engagement, because the rhythm and impulsion was sacrificed in exchange for a pretty headset. There is also limited relaxation, because of your tight hold on his mouth. Roundness needs to come from the hind end - and consequently, from your legs. It would do you and him well to do a lot of loose-rein work, to give you the feel of adjustability exclusively through your seat and leg, and him the chance to really use his hind end and start working over his back on his own. He'll figure out the balance better without help. Right now it seems like the reins are your lifeline - it doesn't look like you would be confident to get rid of them and ride without his mouth. That's not the case - once you do a ton of on-the-buckle work, you'll both be much more responsive to one another.
Basically, once you've got the hind end, you can start to work on riding into a soft half-halt up front. Between half-halts there needs to be a 'give' - basically a steady outside rein and elastic inside rein to encourage him to accept the bit. It may take a while - he may be evasive at first because I think he's used to an overly tight rein and a twist-and-pull flexion to get his head down. But putting the time in will definitely be worth it.
Sorry for the novel - I always get carried away with critiques ;) But it's important for us to ride our horses correctly and sympathetically!

Anyway, there is absolutely nothing stopping you and your mare from doing very well - just put in the time and effort to do the "tedious" training stuff, and you will both benefit from it so, so much! Good luck!

dantexeventer 04-17-2010 02:52 PM

Oh, and forgot to mention - shorten your stirrups for jumping! Part of the problem right now is that you're reaching for a too-long stirrup, and your leg is sliding around as a result.

Squeak 04-17-2010 04:42 PM

I second the stirrups. Go up quite a bit! Will help a ton with all the problems the above poster listed.

Crest and Release, you're relying far too much on her mouth. Give her her head over fences.

I agree it would be a good idea to go back to basics before jumping. I wouldn't mind seeing more pics if you take your stirrups up a few notches, that might solve a lot of your problems. But starting to build on the fundamentals is probably your best bet right now.

So essentially i second everything written above.

myhorsesonador 04-17-2010 05:29 PM

I agree with every thing above. I dont think this has been said yet but it looks like you need to take your feet a little farther out of the sturrups. you should have the sturrups closer to your toes. it will really help you heels. :)

ocalagirl 04-18-2010 12:11 AM

It would help you a lot to ride in boots at home. I know that tennis shoes are more comfortable, but its best to be safe. Also, its best to "practice like you play" for shows. You are right about the heels. Have you tried stretching before riding? I sometimes do just to loosen up.

Shorter stirrups will also help your heels. I would work on feeling more than executing over fences. You seem to be trying really hard, but you may feel that a little relaxation and release to help your horse relax will go very far. Feel where your horse is and go with his jump, don't force it.

As far as the flatwork goes, I agree that you should focus more on details. Her frame is very natural, which I like, but you are missing an essential part of your training. Your hand could be a more functional part of your ride, as it seems to just sit passively on her neck in one photo. If you want to keep jumping and work on dressage subsequently then definitely focus on relaxation and correct position for yourself first then correct pony issues. Often horse problems like downhill-ness will result in an unbalanced rider and can be fixed with some good practice. I don't think your problem is that you aren't strong, it's that you need to direct your strength towards other things like leg pressure to bend and learn to relax in other areas.

You seem to be a very solid rider who just needs to work on some basic position things. Keep up the good work!

maura 04-18-2010 08:43 AM

I really like your little mare. She seems to have a wonderful attitude and be the perfect sort of horse to learn and move up on. Safe, sane and athletic.

However, she is not always as neat and tidy with her front end as ideally you'd like. In some of the photos she appears to be cantering over the fences in a long stride, rather than actually jumping and rounding. Fortunately, what you need to do to work on your riding will also help her with her form. Stabilizing your position and becoming more balanced and less dependent on her neck for support; and lots of work through gymnastics and grids.

LoveStory10 04-18-2010 12:31 PM

Thank you everyone. We are working on it all :)

Thanx for your compliment on my focus dantexeventer. For a long while that was something I struggled with. I just HATE the fact that my mouth is open in all of them!! LOL

And thank you for complimenting Love Story maura. I agree with the fact that she isnt as neat as I'd like. I will work with all of your tips, and once we are better I'll post more pics :)

dantexeventer 04-18-2010 05:04 PM

LOL I make the same face over fences, although mine's reeeeaaally stupid looking...I call it my ******-face.

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