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CloudsMystique 04-25-2010 02:08 PM

Thinking about breeding my mare in the FAR future (like, 10 years from now)...
 
Before anyone freaks, I'm not doing it just because I want a foal. I'm not doing it because my mare is friendly, or cute, or anything like that. I'm educated, and I want to better the breed by breeding two versatile gaited horses. One thing MFTs have going for them is that they are known to be one of the more versatile gaited breeds. I want to continue that. I don't like the idea most people have that gaited horses are only good for gaiting around an arena, and I want to change that.

My mare has a nice foxtrot AND she reins. I plan on showing her in MFTHBA versatility classes. By the time I'm thinking about breeding her, she will be a successful reiner/versatility class winner... or it's not going to happen. I'm also starting endurance with her this summer. She's been an amazing trail horse ever since she was started under saddle. She's one of the smartest, calmest, most cool-headed horses I have ever known.

I know most people don't know anything about MFT bloodlines, but I'll tell you that her bottom side couldn't get much better. It's full of world champs, and CLOSE up. Her top side isn't amazing, but her sire was WGC in 1985. He is the good line.

If you do know about MFT bloodlines: Clouds Mystique W Missouri Fox Trotter


Here are some pictures of her:
3 years old: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3580/...ff7884d7_b.jpg
5 years old: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2567/...725ea975_b.jpg
6 years old: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3422/...a19aca6b_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/...3b135434_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2526/...fb7bc1b9_b.jpg

Here is the breed standard, since most people aren't familiar with MFT conformation...

"The horse should stand well on its feet, be erect, wide awake and alert. The neck should be graceful, in proportion to length of body, and joined to the body in a manner pleasing to the eye. The fox trotting horse should have a neat, clean, symmetrically shaped head of medium length; pointed ears that are well shaped; eyes that are large, wide set and bright; and a tapered muzzle with large nostrils. The back should be reasonably short and strong, the body deep and the ribs well-sprung. The flank should be sleek, and the chest deep and full. The shoulders should be sloped at a 45 to 50 degree angle, and moderately muscled. The legs should be muscular and tapered. The foot should be well made, strong and in proper proportion to the size of the horse."





The stud I'm looking at does cow work, reins, and jumps. He's the 2004 World Grand Champion Open Versatility winner. Now, I'm not committed to him at all. I don't even know what he'll be doing in 10 years. It's just an idea.

This is him:
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...al%20Cover.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images.../At%20Rest.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...20P9080007.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...20a%20calf.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...%20Jumping.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...%20Reining.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images.../P3170032a.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...y/P3170034.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...y/P3170096.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images..._Sept_2003.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...ling_Boy_2.jpg
http://www.usipp.com/HYDEaway/images...g_with_Ken.jpg

Pedigree: Casseys Sterling Boy Missouri Fox Trotter

Again, I'm not committed to this stud at all. I'm just throwing it out there.




I'm just looking for opinions. It's hard to be impartial with your own horse. If I get a resounding no (with good reasons), I'll forget I ever had the idea... I promise.

MacabreMikolaj 04-25-2010 02:15 PM

I don't know much about MFT, but your mare strikes me as an absolute perfect candidate for breeding. Let's put aside the gorgeous color and the beautiful eyes - I have ALWAYS been extremely taken with her overall conformation, athleticism and the presence she seems to generate.

I can blatantly see why you would consider breeding her - I doubt many places have an enormous MFT population to select buyable youngsters from, and you have a very precise idea in your head of what you want. In my opinion, I don't care if people are breeding animals with conformation faults, it all boils down to doing it for a REASON. A specific reason that you firmly believe is justified, not just wanting a cute baby. You've already met that requirement to responsible breeding.

You know your stuff, you know your mare, and you are researching for the best possible stud for her. I would support the breeding 100% based on that alone, nevermind the fact that your mare is extremely worthy as a breeding animal.

CloudsMystique 04-25-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj (Post 614872)
I don't know much about MFT, but your mare strikes me as an absolute perfect candidate for breeding. Let's put aside the gorgeous color and the beautiful eyes - I have ALWAYS been extremely taken with her overall conformation, athleticism and the presence she seems to generate.

I can blatantly see why you would consider breeding her - I doubt many places have an enormous MFT population to select buyable youngsters from, and you have a very precise idea in your head of what you want. In my opinion, I don't care if people are breeding animals with conformation faults, it all boils down to doing it for a REASON. A specific reason that you firmly believe is justified, not just wanting a cute baby. You've already met that requirement to responsible breeding.

You know your stuff, you know your mare, and you are researching for the best possible stud for her. I would support the breeding 100% based on that alone, nevermind the fact that your mare is extremely worthy as a breeding animal.

Thanks for your opinion : ]

equiniphile 04-25-2010 02:25 PM

I LOVE her conformation. Near-perfect example of what a gaited horse should look like.

CloudsMystique 04-25-2010 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by equiniphile (Post 614883)
I LOVE her conformation. Near-perfect example of what a gaited horse should look like.

Thank you : ]

kmacdougall 04-25-2010 02:54 PM

I'll buy that baby from you before it even hits the ground.
I think you chose two excellent candidates for breeding, and I am absolutely in love with your mare.
Your post should be an example of how a breeding critique should run on this forum: two well thought out, beautiful, capable horses, as well as a multitude of research on your part.
Very, very nice.

CloudsMystique 04-25-2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmacdougall (Post 614905)
I'll buy that baby from you before it even hits the ground.
I think you chose two excellent candidates for breeding, and I am absolutely in love with your mare.
Your post should be an example of how a breeding critique should run on this forum: two well thought out, beautiful, capable horses, as well as a multitude of research on your part.
Very, very nice.

Thanks!

dantexeventer 04-25-2010 04:07 PM

I like the amount of thought you've put into this decision - obviously you've done your homework. I'm not particularly familiar with the breed, aside from what you posted, but a couple of things stood out to me in her pictures - she's slightly sickle-hocked and downhill. Now, these are things that can be greatly improved based on the sire choice but a foal will always take the dominant qualities of the dam over the sire. That's why damlines are so, so important in breeding.
That said, I think you're breeding for a specific niche, and while I come from eventerland where I like a level topline and a solid hind-end, there are different priorities in different disciplines. Your mare is a very pretty girl, and I wish you the best of luck with her!

CloudsMystique 04-25-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantexeventer (Post 614963)
I like the amount of thought you've put into this decision - obviously you've done your homework. I'm not particularly familiar with the breed, aside from what you posted, but a couple of things stood out to me in her pictures - she's slightly sickle-hocked and downhill. Now, these are things that can be greatly improved based on the sire choice but a foal will always take the dominant qualities of the dam over the sire. That's why damlines are so, so important in breeding.
That said, I think you're breeding for a specific niche, and while I come from eventerland where I like a level topline and a solid hind-end, there are different priorities in different disciplines. Your mare is a very pretty girl, and I wish you the best of luck with her!

Thanks for your opinion : ]

kitten_Val 04-25-2010 06:36 PM

I think they are both stunning! And yes, that's the situation when breeding your own horse will be much better (and very possibly cheaper) choice.

My only concern is - if she's 6 now wouldn't it be too late to breed her say at 16? I'd rather go with 10 years old.


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