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Ah, Undesirable Studs..
Yes, this was my reply in the BYB thread..
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Is it because..?
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Just wanna see people's opinions and hopefully clear up some confusion (to other horse-owners). Please do not turn this into a bashing thread.. Although there may be a few fights.. As soon as one stirs up, I will have this thread closed. Thanks(: .
Why is it assumed that just because someone doesn't agree with something, they are bashing it? I am against breeding grade stallions (and mares) but I don't think I've ever bashed them.
I just do not see the point in breeding something that may or may not produce a desirable (profitable, well conformed, etc) offspring. Save up your money and purchase or breed to something with papers so that you can know the history 100%. The risk of things like HYPP are enough for me not to take the chance. Horses are expensive, and "oopses" are horrendous.
Don't you know, Goldi, disagreeing is bashing and attacking (well, more specifically it is to about 90% of the www-population)
Ok... this is how I feel on the subject:
First I want to start off by saying... Papers dont make a horse. But:
If I have a registered mare (which I do), and I am goin to breed her... (which i am when she is old enough), I will not breed her to an unregistered stud. I dont know his bloodlines, how he has been shown, how he has placed, how he performs, if he has any babies on the ground... so on and so forth. I can go by what the owner states. But lets face it... not every horse owner is honest.
Now... on the other hand... I have an unregistered mare (which I dont). And if I liked her well enough to get a baby from her I would know where shes been, how she performs, what her flaws are physically and mentally (for exampe if shes a hot head and I want a calm baby, Im not gonna breed her to a hot stud), what problems she needs corrected. And so I can go on and look for a stud that can hopefully "fix" these problems on the foal. I can call up the the registry and track down his current foals and see how they are doing, what they look like, their dispostion.
Thats my opinion on the subject.
It's about 60 - 75% 1.) and 25 - 40% 2.)
Also consider the mechanics - you get to see at least on foal on the ground before rebreeding the mare. If the foal is horrendous, or has a defect inherited from the dam, you can make the choice not to rebreed.
While responsible breeders test breed new stallions to a few of their own mares and evaluate the offspring before standing him at stud; theoretically, a stallion can get a *lot* of mares in foal before you have a chance to evaluate one.
If you wanted to maintain a breed's quality and standards, you should only breed the top 10% of the colts and the top 50% of the mares. If you actually want to *improve* the quality of the breed, it's more like the top 3% of the colts and 20% of the mares. Some folks will quibble about the exact percentages, but the underlying principle is sound.
A poor quality stallion does a lot more damage to the gene pool than a poor quality mare.
I'm mostly of the opinion that anything grade shouldn't be bred. There's already hundreds of them out there that have no one to love them, so why produce more?
Especially stallions. I tell you, I've seen some god-awful looking studs that I wouldn't breed too if he were the last stallion on Earth. Registered and unregistered. Why do these stallions get to keep their nuts? Unfortantely I think they sometimes end up as "ego" animals and they get to stay intact because it's cool for someone to say "I own a stallion" when really, they hardly know the a$$ end of a horse from the front and probably shouldn't own a donkey.
And, of course, these fugly stallions get the low price of $200 breeding fee special!! And no, it's not because he's special. It's because that's the MARKET they are targeting (ie/ the meat market) because no one in their right mind is going to pay $1000 for a fugly foal.
And then, of course, this mare owner gets a colt and it doesn't matter if it's legs are more crooked then a politician or it's back is six inches too long, because he's got NUTS, therefore he's a stallion prospect. And it goes on. And on.
And you can't even blame the poor horses, the but selfish, uneducated people that continue to breed these grade/poor quality stallions for grade/poor quality foals. Unfortnately, I think most of these people do it for the money (no buyers for your $200 foal? That's alright, send it to auction. Should get at least $75 for meat) and don't have a care/idea about what they are actually doing to the horses.
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