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riccil0ve 05-17-2010 12:29 AM

Dunskin? Buckskin and dun in one?
 
Can a horse be both a buckskin and a dun? I have no pictures, but that's what this person said their horse was... o_O

Iseul 05-17-2010 12:40 AM

yeah..i'm sure someone else can explain (coz I can't) but it's possible. :3 I'd actually like one of my own, since it's a mix of my two favourite colours. :D
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wild_spot 05-17-2010 12:55 AM

Yep, absolutely possible. They are caused by two seperate genes - Buckskin is caused when a bay has one copy of cream, and dun is a completely seperate gene.

riccil0ve 05-17-2010 01:02 AM

But wouldn't it still look like a buckskin? I'm just confused, lol. Can anyone find a picture of what it would look like?

Oh, this isn't a horse I saw. My friend saw it, and told her it was a "dunskin," and she said it looked like your average buckskin.

SorrelHorse 05-17-2010 01:17 AM

Um. No.

A buckskin is basically a dun without the black points. Just like brown is basically bay without the black points. Two seperate genes. If it was a "dunskin" it would be a dun...I mean, honestly. It's like those "Designer Dogs" that are "Labradoodles" or "Goldendoodles." And now its invading the horse world. Ugh.

Another example. Tri-Colored paint. Eh. No again. It's a Bay Paint. No such thing a tri-colored, no matter how cool it would be.

Edit - I know there are several shades of Dun and Dun Dilutes. Red Dun, Golden Dun.....and Grulla is a dilute, but still if it was combined it would more than likely be classified as a dun, considering the fact that buckskin is sandy and there are sandy duns too. Any of the Dun colors combined with bUckskin would either be a dun or a buckskin. Examples:

Red Dun w/o points - Sorrel/Chestnut.

Grulla w/o points - Grey

Golden Dun w/o points - Buckskin.

Add black points to almost any color except brown and you get some sort of dun. Bay is the other color with black points. Differance is, bays don't have the stripe on the back. Another Dun definition.

Make sense?

roro 05-17-2010 01:25 AM

I looked online and found this:

Google Image Result for http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/defrostindoors/equine_science_health/dunskin.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...th/dunskin.jpg

Apparently It's black + agouti + cream + dun. I'm not for or against this information since I'm not a color expert, but I'm presenting what I found when I typed in dunskin.

SorrelHorse 05-17-2010 01:30 AM

That's....very strange. I've never seen a horse colored that way.

Okay, so there is a color for it. I can stand corrected. However, I don't think its a combination of the two colors. Very interesting....

wild_spot 05-17-2010 01:30 AM

Quote:

Um. No.

A buckskin is basically a dun without the black points. Just like brown is basically bay without the black points. Two seperate genes. If it was a "dunskin" it would be a dun...I mean, honestly. It's like those "Designer Dogs" that are "Labradoodles" or "Goldendoodles." And now its invading the horse world. Ugh.

Another example. Tri-Colored paint. Eh. No again. It's a Bay Paint. No such thing a tri-colored, no matter how cool it would be.

There is a lot of misinformation in this post - It might pay to check out the facts before posting.

A buckskin DOES have black points. The cream gene cannot dilute black hairs in it's single form - So only the red coat on a bay is diluted, leaving the black points. Only in it's double form can cream dilute black hairs - If on a bay base, it becomes a Perlino, similar to a cremello but with slightly darker mane and tail.

A dun has the diluted coat, same as a buckskin, but what makes it a dun are primitive markings. They can be quite pronounced or almost invisible. These are leg/wither barring, a dorsal stripe, and counter shading. They may have some or all of the primitive markings.

It IS possible and documented via genetic testing that horses can carry both one cream gene and the dun gene, genetically making them a dunskin.

They generally look just like a buckskin, but may also show some or all of the primitive markings.

The only way to tell for sure is getting them tested.

wild_spot 05-17-2010 01:38 AM

Genetically tested Dunskin (Black + Agouti + Cream + Dun):

http://www.equine-color.info/gallery...wood+Taboo.jpg

riccil0ve 05-17-2010 02:03 AM

Thank you wild_spot! Helpful as always. =] I'll be sure to pass on the information to my friend.

Another question: If my bay filly had zebra stripes, would she be a dun, or a bay with stripes? She has a dorsal stripe, and the connection of black legs to brown body is pretty unusual, not like any other bay horses I've seen. Dad is a dun with zebra markings, mom is a bay. Just curious. =]


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