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Gidget 07-24-2010 03:04 AM

Is he actually correct or just thinks he knows everything?
 
Okay, sooo I know this person and I went to his house tonight.I actually rode my horse there with her new bit but my on my way my curb strap broke so I was just praying she wasn't going to do anything funky. Anyways, we made it there( he lives really close to where I board) and he told me I put the bit in wrong :? and said i needed a curb strap and I showed him what happened so he made me one out of twine untill I got back to the stable.

He said this bit was used for walking horses and my horse has the wrong bit for her. Well she does really well in the bit except she with yank her head down to eat grass and it's hard to pull her head up...that's the only thing and I just have to watch her closely to make sure i don't let her try to do that.

Here is the bit...well same kind..this is one i found of the internet.
I put it in correct, I know I did or else my horse would give me fits and my friend who knows a lot about horses would have told me. The shanks are pointed down and I didn't flip it around...anyways, so my horse and I do mostly western but are learning english...DOES IT REALLY matter what bit I want to use? I also have a full cheek snaffle but haven't tried that one out.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/...fceb9bd069.jpg

Gidget 07-24-2010 04:07 PM

Bump?


btw, do you actually need to sets of reins with this bit?

maura 07-24-2010 04:14 PM

That is a straight metal pelham; an English bit but not necessarily or specifically a walking horse bit. Yes, it is typically ridden with two sets of reins. The cheekpieces of your bridle attach to the top most ring, the same one with the hooks for the curb chain. Hooks go behind the cheekpieces. Can be used with a lip strap or leather or rubber in place of the curb chain. Snaffle rein goes on the largest ring, curb rein goes on the ring at the bottom of the shank.

Pretty difficult to set up correctly if you've never used one.

Also, a fairly harsh bit, especially with a curb chain, and not usually a Western bit.

Gidget 07-24-2010 04:22 PM

okay thank you. This does sound difficult but I didn't think it had to be for a walking horse. I only used a single loop rein for her as I do not like any type of split reins. However I do like double reins for english :)

I don't use curb chains...I use just a basic leather curb strap. I have backups.
I am trying to find a good bit for my horse. I want to ride her english and western and not sure what kind of bit to use...she does NOT respond in an o ring, dee ring. How mild is a full cheek snaffle?

For western she rides in a medium port curb bit.

vivache 07-24-2010 04:28 PM

Full cheeks are pretty mild. They really help in the turning cue.

You can't do Western in a pelham, and they can be pretty harsh with the straight shank.

You might want to try a baucher or fulmer snaffle. Bauchers sit stiller in the mouth.

Gidget 07-24-2010 04:33 PM

alright, thank you.

I got this bit for free from a friend. So she might want it back since it is too advance for me. I didn't know you had to use double reins for this bit. I am looking for a nice snaffle that will suit my horse and so far not luck...this one she responded to but again,too advance.

maura 07-24-2010 04:35 PM

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...7iKVXJyyh6jDI=
This is what the bit looks like when used correctly. I wasn't sure if you understood what I meant by two sets of reins because of your reference to split reins. In the photo on the left, they will actually be 4 reins in the rider's hands.

I am not a fan of the converter device on the right that gives you two reins; it robs the bit of the flexibility that makes it useful and essentially turns it into a straight curb bit.

A full cheek snaffle can range from very mild to very harsh, depending on the mouthpiece. I don't know what training or control problems you're having with your horse, but I suspect this bit is not the solution, even short term.

I hope you can work with an instructor or trainer and get some assistance with gaining better control and finding an appropriate bit.

vivache 07-24-2010 04:36 PM

THIS is probably what he was thinking of when he said that it was a walking horse bit.. though I think any of the walking horses I ride would throw a FIT with this in their mouth-- Robarts Precise Tongue Pressure Weymouth Bit

I use something like this when I show. But, I ride saddleseat. Our "english" is a little bit different. Robarts Pinchless Shank Snaffle

Spyder 07-24-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gidget (Post 699788)
.I actually rode my horse there with her new bit but my on my way my curb strap broke so I was just praying she wasn't going to do anything funky.

I would be most concerned when somerone said their curb strap broke.

This is a curb bit which means it exerts a lot of power and NEVER should enough pressure be applied for either the rein or strap to break (unless it was in such poor repair the it was falling apart).



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Anyways, we made it there( he lives really close to where I board) and he told me I put the bit in wrong :? and said i needed a curb strap and I showed him what happened so he made me one out of twine untill I got back to the stable.
For the bit to work PROPERLY yes a strap or chain is used and how it is fitted is most important. Either too loose (so it is ineffective) or too tight (so it pinches and applies constant pressure) are both wrong.

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He said this bit was used for walking horses and my horse has the wrong bit for her. Well she does really well in the bit except she with yank her head down to eat grass and it's hard to pull her head up...that's the only thing and I just have to watch her closely to make sure i don't let her try to do that.
Other than the shanks on this bit are very long and places this bit on the very harsh level it is a bit used over a multitude of disciplines.

I also can see why the strap broke if you are constantly yanking...a serious no no in a curb bit. Putting a harsh bit to correct a training problem is not the way to go.

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DOES IT REALLY matter what bit I want to use?
Yes because some disciplines won't allow this bit.

corinowalk 07-24-2010 05:23 PM

She probably will need to relearn how to go on a snaffle bit. If you have been riding her in the curb for a while, shes probably used to your cues in this bit (or others like it).


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