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ottbfan 08-02-2010 01:29 PM

Starting an Equine Rescue Center
My idea for the Pepsi Refresh Project is to start a horse rescue center. The idea has gone through the judges and on to voting. I need every vote that I can get. If you can please take the time and visit the link below, you could help save the lives of many helpless animals.

Please go to vote:
Start Holbrooke Equine Rescue Center (IMPACTED GULF OIL SPILL STATE) | Gulf Pepsi Refresh Everything

visit our temporary website:

Please, take a stand against animal cruelty and do your part by voting. You can vote once everyday, so please remember us while you are on the computer. Somebody has to speak up for the ones with no voice...

Thank you for your time and I hope you support our center. A simple click of the mouse can help save the lives of many...

Speed Racer 08-02-2010 01:45 PM

How do you plan to continue to finance this rescue, if the Pepsi Refresh people give you the start up money?

Do you have a business plan? Have you applied for 501(c)3 status? Have you filled out the appropriate paperwork that needs to be filed with the county, state and Federal governments?

Do you have the proper amount of land and fencing in order to house these animals? What experience do you have in taking care of large, sometimes ill or physically/mentally disabled animals?

We have rescues being shut down every day due to lack of funding, so what makes you think one you start will have a better chance than those already established?

These are all serious questions, and you need to be able to come up with good answers for them.

Good, reputable rescues are businesses, and need to be treated and run as such. Going into it with starry eyes and a desire to help aren't enough.

You need a viable business plan as well as the funds to continue the work, otherwise the animals you rescue will in turn have to be rescued from you when you find you're overwhelmed and underfunded.

ottbfan 08-02-2010 01:54 PM

Speed Racer,
What in the world makes you think that I would ask for funding without thinking things through properly?

Those things have already been taken care of and are not your responsibility to worry about - I simply asked for your vote. Your input is appreciated, but seems a bit on the rude or on the negative side. If those things were not taken care of/planned out, I would not be asking for the funding.

I realize that centers are shut down everyday. That only increases my drive to open one. And yes, I understand that I will need more funds other than "start-up" funds. That too, has been taken care of.

The 501(3) status has been applied for and all paperwork has been filed. The land has been chosen, and yes, I have extensive experience with horses of all types. Mentally unstable, sick, injured, etc... Once again, I would not be asking for the funding if I had no idea of what was to come of this.

So, thank you for your input, but once again, all is done. The only thing left is the voting. If you can manage to do that in order to support us, it will be greatly appreciated.

Speed Racer 08-02-2010 02:07 PM

You're incorrect about these things not being my problem.

For anyone concerned for animals, the fact that rescues are being closed every day because of lack of funding, this is indeed everyone's business who has these animals' welfare at heart.

I asked you serious questions, and you chose to take them as 'negativity'. This one small fact tells me more about you than all your starry eyed enthusiasm.

I saw your website, and how you plan to spend the money IF Pepsi deems your idea worthy. You don't even have the facilities to house the animals yet; you're expecting this grant to cover the land/facility purchase.

Do you really think $150,000 will cover all the land, barn and fencing needs for a herd of 30 to 40 horses? Even in Louisiana, I don't think you can get much more than 5 acres for that kind of money.

Do you know what your county and state regulations are concerning the land and housing requirements for a herd of livestock of that size?

You're 19 y/o. While I admire your passion, you've not convinced me you're the ideal person to start up a rescue in your area, especially since you're not thinking farther than getting the grant in order to purchase and set everything up.

Rescues that actually survive are the ones who have a 5 year business plan, and use their money wisely. However, even the good rescues are hurting for donations. How do you plan to continue to fund the rescue?

As a charitable entity, your financial records will be open to the public. You need complete transparency in all your dealings, and the fact that you don't want me questioning you does not bode well for you.

I don't donate money or vote for people who aren't willing to give full disclosure. After all, it's MY money and time, not yours.

You also posted this on COTH. If you think I'm not being nice enough, wait until the COTH folks start asking you questions.

ottbfan 08-02-2010 02:20 PM

I do not believe that I am incorrect about these things not being your problem. They are to be dealt with by myself and the other staff members of the center. All I've asked you to do is vote. Once again, everything has been taken care of, so ONCE AGAIN, you should not be worried about it. I understand your position and how you are attempting to explain things to me, but all has been done and there is no need for such. I'm trying to ease your mind by explaining this to you, yet once again you doubt it. I understand that the well-being of the equines is EVERYONE'S concern, but at this point, all I need is votes. If people are truly concerned about the horses, then they should help enable a center that has everything taken care of, planned out, and WILL STRIVE. As I've previously stated, the facilities have been chosen. It has everything that will be needed, ranging from stables, round pens, covered arena, fencing/cross-fencing...etc...
I have educated myself on every possible aspect of the matter, such as state regulations, and ONCE AGAIN, I would not be asking for the funding if things were not properly thought through.
I may not have convinced you, but that is absolutely fine. I am not going to continue to argue/dispute this matter on this board. I came here to ask for support and votes. If you are still concerned about the issue, or unsure, you (or anyone else for that matter) may feel free to private message me, or even email me. My email address is:

Speed Racer,
I appreciate your concern. Once again, I will ASK you to vote in order to support our center's efforts. If you do not want to, or do not feel comfortable doing so (even though I have thoroughly explained things more than once) then don't vote.

For everyone else:
As I have previously stated, MULTIPLE TIMES, everything that needs to be taken care of, has been taken care of. I would not ask for funding otherwise. Please, take the time and vote. It could help save the lives of many horses. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me.
Have a blessed day.

mls 08-02-2010 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by ottbfan (Post 708171)
Speed Racer,
What in the world makes you think that I would ask for funding without thinking things through properly?

If you don't get the start up money from Pepsi - what then?

ottbfan 08-02-2010 02:59 PM

Then nothing. I will continue to volunteer for CANTER.

Alwaysbehind 08-02-2010 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by ottbfan (Post 708199)
As I have previously stated, MULTIPLE TIMES, everything that needs to be taken care of, has been taken care of. I would not ask for funding otherwise.

Um, how do we know this with out asking?

Can you give us a link to your business plan? Is there a link to the mission statement of your rescue?

And how do you think it makes people feel that when they ask a VERY basic question they get snarked at?

Rule one of living off other people's money is making the people know that you appreciate them so they can appreciate what their money is doing, not feel like they are being used.

You have obviously missed that little point in the whole concept of being dependent on other people's money.

Saying it is just voting is not really a good selling point either. Why would I want to vote for the monies to go to someone who in the end will not be a good long term place for the monies? If you get this upset about simple questions it just seems likely that you will have a very hard time dealing with the day to day political issues that a good rescue has to muddle their way through.

mls 08-02-2010 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by ottbfan (Post 708222)
Then nothing. I will continue to volunteer for CANTER.

A well known, established rescue. So why not help them raise the funds?

Charis 08-02-2010 03:47 PM

ottbfan, when you are asking for our votes, you are asking for our confidence in your business plan. If you do indeed win this money from Pepsi to start up, I think all of us want to know that it's going to be more than a starry-eyed dream. You are asking people to vote for you to get money for a plan that involves living, breathing animals whose welfare is going to rest in your hands alone. For us to vote for you, ottbfan, we must be confident that you have a plan, and right now I don't believe you have a plan past the Pepsi grant, and so I will not vote for you, not right now. Show me a business plan, show me a plan that convinces me that you're worthy of this grant and I will be more than happy to vote for you. It's great that you want to help out, ottbfan, but in order for you to succeed, you must be openminded and be willing to show people that you're worth their money.

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