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catandminot 08-19-2010 09:48 PM

Navicular Mare Gone Barefoot.... Critiques Anyone?
 
So as a continuation of this thread with before pictures...: http://www.horseforum.com/horse-health/navicular-dilemmas-54609/

Now that I am back with the horses from teaching riding lessons at a summer camp, I finally have time to update you guys on Cat's hoof progress. I had a VERY hard time getting a decent farrier out to the camp, so Cat ended up having the heartbars and equipack on until mid July... (trust me.. I feel terrible for not being able to get a farrier out any sooner but no one would call me back or come out to shoe one horse) I ended up having the camp's regular farrier, who specializes in natural hoofcare, take a look at her. I showed him the x-rays from May, but he was more convinced that she most likely has heal pain rather than just the navicular as the main problem. He recommended that I find a barefoot trimmer I could continue to use once I got home before he pulled her shoes.

When I found a trimmer and he pulled her shoes, she had MAJOR thrush underneath the equipack... The equipack was supposed to have an anti-fungal medication mixed in it, but I guess it messed up after being on her hooves for so long. Anyway, she ended up doing extremely well barefoot and wasn't lame at all despite not having shoes.

Five weeks later (and we are now home), I called a near-by barefoot trimmer to come out. She was extremely nice and thorough with both of my mares. She had me lunge Cat at the walk and trot in both directions and walk Cat to and away from her. She noted that Cat traveled more flat-footed when she strided out, but tip-toed a LOT more when slowed down. She thought that the heel pain was probably caused by the thrush in her frogs (still remaining from the old-equipack) and her heels being so contracted (like you guys spotted on the old thread). She also noticed that Cat has white line disease in all of her hooves, but more in the front than the back. However, she said that the disease was common in many horses she had seen recently due to the wet and damp conditions we have had in my area lately.

(Anyone know of a good thrush medication that I could use with Cat? The farrier recommended squirting this: http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Tomo...pr--040FTD0812 into her frogs to get rid of the nastiness in there... thoughts?)

This farrier recommended that I try using an "Easyboot Glove" with medium density pads on her fronts once the thrush is cleared up to give her some cushion on her heels and encourage her to move properly. She said that she would come out and help me fit them with the pads in a couple weeks when she was out to trim my neighbor's horses. Anyone have any experience using these boots?

Anyway... onto the after pictures! (I forgot to take befores, but there are some in the thread posted at the top from when she had the heartbars on.)

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2909-2.jpg

Front Heels
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2888-2.jpg

Left-Side Fronts
http://i33.tinypic.com/2a62e6b.jpg

Right-Side Fronts
http://i36.tinypic.com/15365nm.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2898-2.jpg

Left-Front:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2901-2.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/s1p252.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/1585k40.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/t8t10n.jpg

ctd below...

catandminot 08-19-2010 09:48 PM

Right Front: (Has really bad thrush inside her frog and hoof)
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2900-2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2889-2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2928-2.jpg


(Her toe is "callused" from walking on it while avoiding the pain in her heels)
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2929-2.jpg


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2931-2.jpg

Backs:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2904-2.jpg

Right-Side Backs:
http://i35.tinypic.com/3524vvk.jpg

Left-Side Back:
http://i33.tinypic.com/9jq5hu.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2924-2.jpg

Right-Side Back:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...IMG_2938-2.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/34dhf6w.jpg


What do you guys think? Thanks for the help!
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payette 08-19-2010 10:11 PM

I'm no expert! In my opinion, though, her heels look like they could be backed up further, and it looks like there may be dead sole in the seat-of-corn area, in the rear corners near the bars of her hoof. Also, the bars look like they could be shortened up more, to me. It seem like more of her frog could be contacting the ground, and then increased circulation through the frog would also be helping to heal the thrush.
Also, for some reason, the front view of the front hoof with bad thrush is really square-looking.
Someone else on here probably can be much more helpful. . .
If you haven't checked out the website www.barefoothorse.com, I would thoroughly reccomend it.
I'd love to see more pictures as she progresses. Also, I didn't look at the other thread before I posted, but I will.

luvs2ride1979 08-19-2010 10:17 PM

Hmm, the side-to-side balance looks a bit off, like one heel and one side is a tad longer than the other. That could be a trick of camera angles though... ?

The true test is though, how is your mare moving after the trim? Does she seem more comfortable? Is she landing more flat-footed or heel first? When she picks up and puts down her feet, are they coming up and landing straight? (when you look at her walking toward you)

I got some good advice to use this stuff called Earth Choice Germ Control 24 for thrush. You can order it from Home Depot's web site, but you have to order 4 gallons of it at a time, lol. It kills bacteria and viruses without harsh chemicals and is supposed to keep working for 24 hours. You spray the bottoms of the feet liberally every day, paying special attention to frogs and the groove between the heel bulbs. Once things clear up, you spray 2-3 times a week to prevent thrush from coming back. I'll let you know how it goes ;-).

Earth Choice Germ Control 24 Silver Formula, 1 Gal., Case of 4 - 915061G4 at The Home Depot

Considering the expense of most thrush treatments, this stuff is CHEAP! $60 for 4 gallons of it... And it's a good disenfectant for grooming tools and water buckets!

catandminot 08-19-2010 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979 (Post 724485)
Hmm, the side-to-side balance looks a bit off, like one heel and one side is a tad longer than the other. That could be a trick of camera angles though... ?

They probably are. If you look at the pictures of her in the heartbars, the same thing is going on. I'm not sure what to do about it though or if I should even be concerned...?

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979 (Post 724485)
The true test is though, how is your mare moving after the trim? Does she seem more comfortable? Is she landing more flat-footed or heel first? When she picks up and puts down her feet, are they coming up and landing straight? (when you look at her walking toward you)

Despite all the thrush and painful heels, she did seem more comfortable. Maybe 30% better after the trim when we lunged her again. She still has a long way to go, but it is a start. I tried taking a video this afternoon of her moving on the lunge for you guys, but it started raining. I'll try and get one tomorrow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvs2ride1979 (Post 724485)
I got some good advice to use this stuff called Earth Choice Germ Control 24 for thrush. You can order it from Home Depot's web site, but you have to order 4 gallons of it at a time, lol. It kills bacteria and viruses without harsh chemicals and is supposed to keep working for 24 hours. You spray the bottoms of the feet liberally every day, paying special attention to frogs and the groove between the heel bulbs. Once things clear up, you spray 2-3 times a week to prevent thrush from coming back. I'll let you know how it goes ;-).

Earth Choice Germ Control 24 Silver Formula, 1 Gal., Case of 4 - 915061G4 at The Home Depot

Considering the expense of most thrush treatments, this stuff is CHEAP! $60 for 4 gallons of it... And it's a good disinfectant for grooming tools and water buckets!

Definitely let me know how that goes! It looks like some great stuff to try on thrush.. especially if I soaked her hooves in it so it gets way up into the frog. (Would this be a good or bad idea........?)

BigGreyHorse 08-20-2010 01:19 AM

White Lightning soaks (or gel) are supposed to work really well for thrush. Manufacturer recommends soaks and has a video on the site. I watched a Pete Ramey dvd the other day and he was using a mix of Neosporin and some kind of athlete's foot cream and working that down in the grooves and sulcus.

Please keep posting--it will be interesting to see how she does over the next few months.

Deerly 08-20-2010 02:35 AM

I wish you the very very best of luck with this treatment approach! I hope you are able to find a trimmer/farrier that can really help your horse!

I can't critique her hooves but I always feel the need to state my opinion on the matter. Not all barefoot trims are created equal and what is possible with some very skilled trimmers is not just because the horse has no shoes on. So if this trimmer doesn't work it it may not be because the horse needs shoes or vice versa. Unfortunately it seems really hard to find shoers/trimmers up to the ideal standard in published books and studies. You'll find what works for your horse and who is the best to do it!

As for thrush, I used Thrush Buster on my horse with great success but I'm not sure his case was as serious as yours. Around here it seems to be the preferred product as well. A little goes a long way.

Thrush Buster from SmartPak Equine


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