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herdbound 09-01-2010 04:00 PM

Seller Beware - Anyone ever sold a horse and regretted it?
 
I am asking this because about 7 years ago my sister bought a little red and white paint foal. She didn't really understand that just because you buy a baby, doesn't mean it will grow up well mannered and sweet like in the movies. She already had an Arabian who was about 3, and this foal was just so cute she kinda bought it as a pasture mate for the Arabian. Well the foal grew up and was not so nice, she would try to bite, was an escape artist and had a multitude of other little quirks that made her a little harder to handle and my sister who didn't have that much experience with horses started to question owning that horse. Well anyways there were some people who lived out the road who professed to be very knowledgeable in horses and they had a little girl who just fell in love with the paint. My sister being the soft hearted soul that she is decided to give the little girl the paint as a Christmas present. So in her mind she was doing a good deed, and sending her on to a better place with people who could actually handle her "quirks"...sounds lovely...

But then something went wrong...the little girl broke the paint...and she started to ride her frequently. But they didn't feed her. My sister would drive by thier house and watch the condition of this horse grow worse and worse. She became so boney and malnurished she started to eat the barn. My sister asked if the horse maybe could come back to the house and help keep the pastures down with the Arabian...trying to offer up a polite reason for the removal of the horse in the conditions it was being kept. That was met with a "no thank you" she is fine. The horse then developed a sore on it's back because the little girl rode it without a pad under the saddle....a huge horrible sore.

My sister repeatedly asked to have the horse back...the answer was always a no. She contacted the vet who also stopped to talk to the man about the horse...he pointed out the sore...I think at that point the man got turned into the authorities...I am not sure if it was from the vet or perhaps other people who saw the condition of the horse...but all of a sudden the horse dissapeared...he moved it to a pasture you could only get to with a four wheeler...deep down in the woods on a horrible road. My sister asked to come and see the horse...he kept putting her off saying the roads were too bad in the winter. She kept asking and asking...he told her as soon as spring came he would take her down. Then all of a sudden when the weather broke he says the horse died from a fall on the ice...that he discovered her dead with a broken neck...my sister feels like she made such a horrible mistake, and that there is nothing she can do to make it right. She holds a tremendous amount of guilt towards that decision to let the paint go to those people. She tried everything to get it back, she even offered to buy it back, even though she had freely gave it to them.

Has anyone else made a mistake like this in letting their horse go only to find it is being horribly neglected?

Speed Racer 09-01-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by herdbound (Post 736079)
Has anyone else made a mistake like this in letting their horse go only to find it is being horribly neglected?

No.

If you're going to sell or give a horse away, you need to do due diligence and get vet and farrier references. If people aren't willing to provide that information, then pass.

Poor horse. Your sister didn't do anything with her, and then she was given to a bunch of neglectful asshats who let her starve, get hurt, and then ultimately die.

The animal was the real loser in all of this.

herdbound 09-01-2010 04:13 PM

I know. The poor thing. I think that is what hurts my sister the most, that hindsight is 20/20. The thing is that she just felt sorry for the little girl, she thought she was doing a nice thing. Trust me it is something she truly regrets with all of her heart.

corinowalk 09-01-2010 04:30 PM

What a crappy thing to happen. Not to thread jack but I wrote to someone on craigslist today about just that subject.

This girl posted her horse for sale. Totally adorable 22year old QH gelding who I have had my eye on for a week. I love him. I want him bad. My finances are in the crapper right now so I cannot afford a horse...especially since I just sold my horse a few weeks ago. I heard through the neighborhood that the people right down the road from us are going to buy this horse. They are nice people but take terrible care of their animals. They were given a horse by my BO because the daughter has been pressured into riding. She is terrified and nothing we could do could help her. She visited that horse 3 times in a year and only rode her once. They live a half mile away from the barn. When her horse got sick...they didn't visit. When she got hurt...nope. Finally my BO made a move and rehomed her off the farm. Legally wrong but the best thing for a sweet horse who needed a home. Not to mention they didn't pay the board on her which was a condition of their contract with the BO.

Long story longer...I wrote to the woman on craigslist and warned her about them. They have a donkey in their field right now and he has no shade or shelter and only 1/4 acre fenced in. It might be enough for a mini donkey but it certainly isnt enough for a full grown older horse.

I acknowledge that it was a snarky move on my part. He's just a nice old horse looking for a place to live out his days. He would die cold, hungry, thirsty and neglected there.

Its a tough thing to sell a horse. You never know what is going to happen. When you sell a horse, you take that chance. You must get references...and not just vet and farrier. I like personal references best. My vet could tell you nothing about me. They may be able to tell you that I get my horses shots once a year.

MN Tigerstripes 09-01-2010 04:31 PM

I don't trust very many people with my animals, so you could bet your ass I'd be asking a lot of questions IF I ever was to sell a horse.

My parents bred/raised Labs for many years and we were very careful about the people we sold our dogs too. There were only a couple instances in which we regretted selling the dog to a person, but overall we found good homes for them. It's like SR said, if you sell an animal you need to get references and research the home it's going to.

I probably won't ever sell one anyways. That's what worries me about getting a summer/winter project pony! I'll just end up with another horse for 20 years.

bensmomma 09-01-2010 04:46 PM

I was forced to sell my horse last year and the guy i sold him to promised he would keep in contact with me so i can see how hes doing and if he ever needed to rehome him i would be contacted first. Well i have tryed and tryed and he will no longer answer any of my calls or emails and he lives about 2 states away so i cant go find him. Its a hard lesson i learned and one mistake i wont make again. =(

herdbound 09-01-2010 05:00 PM

The sad thing is that often the people who do the neglecting really feel they are not doing anything wrong. That is the insane part. It is like they go nuts or sick in the head and can't see the state they are causing in the animal.

sixlets 09-01-2010 09:32 PM

I haven't, but I looked at buying a horse from a lady who had to rescue him twice. His name is Monogram, he's a HAnoverian, probably well-bred, and was originally owned by John Walsh's (from America's Most Wanted) wife. This trainer bought him in Florida, because the owners couldn't afford him anymore, kept him for a while then sold him to a student she thought would be a good owner. The woman bought him in Feb. and must never have fed him grain because he lost ALL his muscle and so much weight. The trainer was furious, and took him back when the lady said she couldn't afford him, and now has to sell him AGAIN, but I think she'd only sell him to a barn whose trainer she knows so she can make sure he gets proper care. He's this stunning horse, a total sweetheart, trained to 3rd level dressage. The only reason I didn't snatch him up is because I can only afford pasture board and Monogram needs to not have any competition for food so he can get healthy. Seeing horses like him and hearing stories like yours absolutely infuriates me, how can someone do that to such a trusting and innocent animal? It especially freaks me out since I have to sell Jasper, but I'm just praying God will help me find the right home.

Juniper 09-01-2010 10:14 PM

all I can say is if you sell a horse put absolutely everything in writing. I did not get it all in writing and decided the new owner was a bad owner for my horse and she had outright lied about her situation. I took her to court and did get the horse back, even though everyone assured me I did not have a leg to stand on, since it was my word against hers. Perseverance can pay off even against impossible odds. It was a lot of work but paid off and the horse has since gone to the perfect home.

herdbound 09-02-2010 09:31 AM

Sometimes we think everyone thinks like we do and unfortunately they don't. I am a pretty honest person so I assume others are honest too. I wouldn't stand and bold face lie to someone, but in the horse business, there are a lot of BSers. There are people we ALL know who probably have horses and shouldn't. I know that sounds crappy but some people just get them without the means to care for them. The free horse is NEVER free, sometimes it's the most expensive one in the long run.

When I was a little girl I dreamed about having a horse, I really believed with all my heart that I could get a horse and it could live in the house with me. I thought all I needed was to get the horse, and everything would fall in place. Well flash forward 20 years and now I understand that the horse isn't the big deal, it's the maintenance of the horse & all the gear you need to even ride the horse. It is the MASSIVE responsibility of having something totally dependant on you for it's life. Some people still think like I did when I was a child, get the horse first, and all will be fine. The rule is you have to have extra money in your budget, maybe it already exists, or maybe you have to make some cuts on other stuff you want to do without so you can enjoy the horse and provide for it. Most of the time it all boils down to money.

Right now I know of some people who can't afford 1 horse, and they have 10...they are always picking up these "free" horses. Their horses suffer the consequences and it is so sad. Of all those "newbie" lessons we learn along the way of horse ownership the hardest ones are the ones that end up with the horse suffering from our human errors...and especially when the suffering ends like it did for my sister. It is irepairable...there is nothing she can do at all to make it better. I wanted to post this thread because I hoped it would shed some light on the fact that people can lie, and they can be far different than what they appear. Once the horse leaves your custody and it goes on to the new home, well it is out of your control. I think it is far better to sell the horse for a fair amount than to give it away. A person who pays for an animal is more likely to care for it. "Free" things are often thought of as less wothy and they attract people who can't afford a horse in the first place. That isn't to say everytime, but sometimes it is true. There are people who search out free horses and then BS their way into getting them with talk of living out their years on some glorious farm. And yes they even use thier children to get them. Just be aware that your animal could be going someplace deplorable if taken by the wrong person, and I don't think anyone wants to drive by and see something they love starving to death and eating it's barn.

There have been studies done that show that "free" animals are often the ones most neglected when they are adopted by new people. Free kittens, puppies, and other small animals are even taken to be used as food for snakes and other reptiles. I say it is always best to place some sort of moey in the equation no matter what the animal is...not for a profit to yourself...just to make sure the people TRULY want the animal and value it's life.


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