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Feathers 03-01-2008 05:43 PM

Barefoot Hoof ???
Hi guys!

Most here know that I own a Clydesdale. Well, I've actually wanted to trim her feet myself using the natural barefoot methods of today...I currently have a nice farrier though and I have not yet attempted to trim her myself. However, I am seriously thinking about it now!!

I am wanting to buy her easycare boots. However, when I measured her feet for them, her front feet are so flared, they're too big for the largest boot size. I am soo sure that they would fit into the boot without the flares though!! FLARES!! ARGGG!! My current farrier does not address them to my knowledge

One of her feet is soo not right looking...This is a picture of her front right foot. It is weird to me and I think it is growing to one side. It is not wearing right.

Tell me what you think? It was trimmed on Jan 28, so about a month ago. She is done every other month.

The bottom picture I took today. The picture of the hoof from the front is the same hoof but an older picture. I just want to show you the unusual wear of the front. It is WORSE now.

Ohh, and please pardon the poop!

She's never gone lame or anything but I am not happy with her feet...


barefoothooves 03-01-2008 05:50 PM

Looks like she's breaking over to the outside of the hoof. She does need those flares addressed but she has healthy frogs and a decent sole to work with, so I'd go ahead with a barefoot trim. That would get rid of the flares and you would be much happier with the overall appearance of her foot, and get it balanced so it doesn't breakover to the side again.

She already looks ready for a trim, so 8 weeks might be a tad too long for her at this point to wait for the next trim, with her flares and all. Get those tidied up and balanced and she would probably do fine on an 8 week schedule.

Feathers 03-01-2008 05:58 PM

Sounds like a good idea. I think she should be trimmed more often too, to be honest...

Yes, the flares must go. :evil:

toosexy4myspotz 03-01-2008 07:20 PM

The flares do need to be addressed. It should only take a few trimming to get rid of them and to get her foot to start growing in a more natural position. It looks like she needs her hoof trimmed closer than what they are trimming. I would probably do barefoot and have her trimmed every 4-5 weeks to keep her feet from flaring. After you trim her 5-6 times every 4-5 weeks then you should notice a huge improvement in the flares.

emilou423 03-02-2008 10:45 PM

the off center breakover is most likely due to her leg, not the hoof, and therefore can not be corrected. just like some people put more pressure on the outside or inside of their foot and rollover their big toe or pinky, a horse will also breakover differently. from what i have read about natural trimming as titled (admittedly little) it is how i was trained though they didn't call it natural trimming, they just called it the right way :-) and thus far, trimming in that way, i have been unable to create a "perfect hoof".
i dont see "flares" on your horse's hoof. i see naturally unique shape, but not actual/problematic flares.
looks to me like your farrier is doing a lovely job and you have nothing to worry about.

btw, i am a certified farrier with 3+ years real world experience with many different breeds and disciplines.

kitten_Val 03-03-2008 06:46 AM

From 1st pic you obviously have lots of flares on left and the toe (from 2nd one it's also obvious). It's strange that so much grew in just one month.. Do you have very soft ground? If not looks like your farrier doesn't address the flares.. :(

As for trimming yourself... Well I had this experience (my horses didn't tolerate anyone else for while, so I ended up getting books, video, and help from barefoot people and learn natural methods from Jamie Jackson, KC la Pierre, and Petey Ramey (if I remember correctly the last name)). It's not that tough, but the worst part of it - it's hard in sense of horse weight, bending back, and how much strength you have to put to rasp away the flares. I'm not very strong person, unfortunately, so it took me LOTS of time to do one horse (especially in the beginning) and back problems couple days after the trim. And my horses were rather small 2 year olds (you have Clydes, which obviously weight much more lol!). So when my horses calm down I started to look for farrier. BTW, it's also very important to understand how to balance the hoofs, which is not that easy for unexperienced person. Not like I'm trying to talk you away, but you have to really consider everything before putting money in hood (expensive) hoof stand, good quality instruments, etc.

emilou423 03-03-2008 12:05 PM

truely i do not see what flares you are all talking about. that is the finest draft hoof i have ever seen without shoes. the hoof wall is a uniform thickness all the way around including through the quarters which indicates the shape is NOT flared, but simply the shape that particular horse's hoof should be. if you try to rasp off the "flares" you will majorly decrease the strength of the hoofwall at the quarters and risk developing cracks and chips.
i BEG you, do not attempt to trim your horse's hooves yourself without ample training from a qualified master farrier. there are so many aspects of hoof, leg, and horse to be considered when shaping a hoof you can not possibly learn them all by reading books or articles, these are things that one learns through experience or the instruction of one who has had that experience.
also, it is very physically demanding to trim a small, well behaved horse. it is excessively more demanding to trim a large draft because all draft breeds have a tendancy to lean because their bodies are too heavy for them to support comfortably on 3 legs. thanks to the humans for selectively breeding them too big for their own feet.

ok, im done, i'll put away my soapbox, i hope i have not offended anyone, i certainly didn't mean to, i just think you should leave well enough alone. afterall, you didn't say your horse is sore or lame or stumbling, so i assume that is not occuring?

FGRanch 03-03-2008 12:28 PM

Feathers you could just send her my way and not worry about her feet at all :D Are you feeling better?

Feathers 03-03-2008 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch
Feathers you could just send her my way and not worry about her feet at all :D Are you feeling better?

lol! That would be nice! Yes, I am feeling better now but I sound horrible!! Thanks :D

The ground here is ROCK hard! However, she is in a sandy pen.

I can see from both sides. Don't worry, I know there are many things to consider when doing feet. I am careful and I just won't go out there and start cutting away!

I am actually having a different farrier come out and look at her feet.

Here is some more history on this particular foot. My farrier told me he thinks it is a club foot. He thinks it developed line seperation
last year and she was shoed to treat it. I don't know if it truly had seperation but the white line was 'not' well connected. No, she did not have seedy toe or white line disease. The shoes did not really help either. When they were pulled, I thought the seperation looked worse.

I have noticed a difference in her movement. She is more clumsy and just 'weird'. Not stable.

Look at the picture. Do you see her right front foot (it is the same pictured above)? Do you see how the toe is pointing up and how the whole foot is at a different angle?

Is something wrong?

This is the picture of her LEFT front hoof. In other words, the other one! Notice the big difference in wearing, growth, and shape!


emilou423 03-03-2008 10:40 PM

ok, NOW i see it. i thought both feet looked like the first picture. from the upward curve of the hoof i would guess laminitis/founder. has it been x-rayed? it can happen to only one hoof if it is due to localized damage/trauma, rare though. from the picture it looks like maybe the feathers are thinner on that hoof too? OR it could be an old injury going arthritic, since the weird hoof is still flat as rasped while the normal hoof shows rounded edges indicating full use/pressure. less use/pressure could also result in flares (which on closer exam of the front angle shot i saw, missed it the first 3 times because of all the hair X-\ still not as scary as the upturn of the toe though...)

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