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ducky_1785 02-11-2007 02:41 AM

Hard to break or just bad manners?
 
Hi everyone, I’ve been dying to find a decent forum to find ALOT of help for me and my horse Joe. He is an 8 yr old standedbred x pacer. He has been retired for about 6 months and I have been attempting to break him in to make him a good riding horse. I have very little experience when it comes to riding horses and have asked for different help from various people with a lot of experience, but these different methods only work for a short while so right now I’m doing it blindly by myself. He is quite but a bit flighty. Joe doesn’t have a mean bone in is body and would never go out of his way to hurt anyone but every time I get on him he plays up and starts "pig rooting" and kicking and carrying on and obviously when he thinks he can get away with it. I don’t know either how to discipline this or stop him from doing this. I can jump on him, walk and even trot without a problem but when he gets going he breaks into pacing again ( this is where the problems mostly start, on a good day). I’m trying to get him to canter but all I can seem to manage to do is go from a trot to a full out gallop. I would really love any advice anyone has to offer. Thanks. :lol:

daveb 02-11-2007 07:36 AM

Can you get him to canter from the ground on the lounge line? If you have a round pen that you can use, that is a great place to also practice free-lounging. Both of these techniques will help you contol his speed to get him into a canter mindset.

ducky_1785 02-12-2007 02:10 AM

Thats half the problem i dont have a round pen. And i have never had him canter on a lead. any hints on how to get him going, i would be very greatful?

Razeal 02-12-2007 07:21 AM

Is there anyone who can help you hands on? It is a great experience breaking or training your own horse but if you are having troubles you really need a second set of hands and knowledge to help you.
Can you make a roundpen?
I honestly think though that if you really like the horse but he is giving you grief send him to an agistment/training centre or get a professional horse handler/trainer to show you and guide you. Some horses are easier to break than others but this one is not a project for the inexperienced to take on by themselves.
Also not having facilities or gear can be a hassle too. Keep us updated on how your going :D

ktmott 02-12-2007 11:36 AM

try lunging him with 2 reins,let your stirrups down and thread a girth strap round them under his belly to keep them in place then clip one to one side of the lunge line to the bit and through the stirrup do the same with the other side, its kind of like long reining but instead of being behind you are in the middle with the outside line going round his back end and the other as you would normally have it, you will have more control with the 2 lines and it might help him stay on the circle a bit better, just a thought!

ducky_1785 02-13-2007 01:19 AM

I have had other "hands on" but both people have they're own horses to tend to. he is a great horse and easy to handle, but like most smart horses he knows when the right time to play up is.Thanks for the advice on how to lounge him, i''ll give it a go! ill get back and tell you how it goes! :D fingers crossed!

ducky_1785 02-14-2007 02:40 AM

well i tried lunging him the way you recommened but im sorry it was a complete failure. :oops: But on the other hand good news it hasn't freaked him out too badly. Do you think there is a good way of getting him to canter from a trot by riding him, it seems to be the best was he responds. :?:

proeventer 02-25-2007 02:43 PM

i recommend that you dont start of by lunging him. i recommend you ride in an menage (school/arena) if he carrys on however scary it maybe dont get off. if you are not confident enough to stay on ask someone else to ride him. i would ask someone to lead you in walk and trot. when you are in trot ask him to go forward into canter, whilst been led. igo may be able to go into gallop in a small areana but you just need to pull him back. when you sucessfully have him in a canter i would suggest then coming off the lead rein

ducky_1785 02-25-2007 08:21 PM

thanks proeventer, that would have to be the best piece of advice anyone has given me so far. Only thing is i do not have a round paddock or arena to go to. But i have been doing the same thing without the advantage of those two things. I take him on a track ( thats used to train the pacers) and try that way. the hole time im riding him, i first walk him then trot and if all is going well push for canter. Ive just started taking him out on the road but only while someone is holding him by lead while im riding him. I know this sounds almost "child like" but what do you think?

ImaFlashyBit 02-26-2007 01:48 PM

I hope I don't sound like a broken record and this is only my opinion but all I can recommend without actually seeing the horse myself is ground work ground work ground work. You said he used to be a racer and now you would like to just be able to ride him then you are going to need to start with square one. You don't need a round pen to lunge him, but you do need to start but disengaging the hindquarter through ground work and watch those back feet. If you can get control of those feet from the ground first then you will have no problem keeping control of them while in the saddle. Know his steps while your walking on him, the up down and up down of the hindfeet. Are you flexing and bending his neck while your on him? Everytime he starts to take off bend that neck till you stop. Then ask him again only this time when he takes off bend to the other side. This might not be the correct answer to all your horse problems but like I said in my opinion and maybe my opinion only, but any problem while in the saddle is a result of incorrect or not enough groundwork. I feel as though is you can control those feet you can control your horse.
Goodluck and please keep us posted on your progress....


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