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Chele11 12-16-2010 12:33 PM

Jr Cowboy Bit?? Stop & Turn Bit?
 
So, the previous owner used a Stop & Turn Bit on Chili for training/breaking. I've looked up information and everyone says that it's a very very harsh bit!! Poor girl.

She then used a Jr Cowboy Bit once she was trained but I can't find any info at all on this (even spelling out junior). Does anyone know anything about it?? I know she used light pressure on her mouth and a lot of leg pressure/cues and Chili has been responsive to those (at least the short time I was on her).

Any suggestions for light pressure and/or a bit for someone who is still learning pressure themselves would be greatly appreciated! I was thinking I'd prefer a Hackamore (sp) - bc it's bitless but I'm not sure if it will be useful for her and how long it would take to train her to use it or if it would come naturally for her? When my stepsister had a horse that I rode a lot as a teenager, we used a Hackamore.

Thanks!

BarrelRacer86 12-16-2010 12:54 PM

Your probably talking about a Jr. Cow Horse bit, which really isn't a harsh bit at all just a bump up from a snaffle and it comes in every mouth piece, smooth, twisted, 3 piece, ect.

Stop and Turns are harsh, theres no bit but a bar that goes under the horses jaw. Not a very popular thing to use.
I don't think hackamores work well unless the horse is trained. there better on a horse that knows neck reining, and knows what to do. Otherwise there not the most effective.

Chele11 12-16-2010 01:00 PM

I want to teach her to neck rein*. That is my #1 priority before hitting the trails in the Spring (as far as riding goes)

Which mouthpiece is best of the Cow Horse bits?
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BarrelRacer86 12-16-2010 01:12 PM

That's your personal perferance, or whatever you think would work best. Also a Jr. Cow Horse bit does have short enough shanks to use direct reing with until your horse can neck rein. And you'll need to buy bit gaurds, because the bit has a slight gag action where the bit slides and the corners can pinch the mouth.

iridehorses 12-16-2010 01:19 PM

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A Jr Cow Horse bit has a slight gag action to it and I would not recommend it to a a rider who isn't familiar with that type of bit. If you are going to train a horse to neck rein, then you need to be working him in a snaffle, not a leverage bit.

A leverage bit is for a horse that already knows how to neck rein since any direct pressure on the bit from the reins will adversely affect his head. The leverage bit is not intended for direct reining.

That being said, and the bit that I love, has a Billy Allen mouth piece to it. The Billy Allen allows each shank to move independently of each other or the shanks swiveling to the side, so that if you had to direct rein to make a correction, you could without causing the whole bit to move. This is a picture of mine. I've been using this bit for somewhere around 12-14 years and on a LOT of horses:

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BarrelRacer86 12-16-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iridehorses (Post 854109)
A Jr Cow Horse bit has a slight gag action to it and I would not recommend it to a a rider who isn't familiar with that type of bit. If you are going to train a horse to neck rein, then you need to be working him in a snaffle, not a leverage bit.

A leverage bit is for a horse that already knows how to neck rein since any direct pressure on the bit from the reins will adversely affect his head. The leverage bit is not intended for direct reining.

That being said, and the bit that I love, has a Billy Allen mouth piece to it. The Billy Allen allows each shank to move independently of each other or the shanks swiveling to the side, so that if you had to direct rein to make a correction, you could without causing the whole bit to move. This is a picture of mine. I've been using this bit for somewhere around 12-14 years and on a LOT of horses:

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A Jr. Cow horse bit also has seperate shanks

DunOverIt 12-16-2010 01:36 PM

I don't have a mouth piece shot, but I have a shot of mine on one of our cow fillies. They are great transition bits and all around bits.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1532076_n.jpg

iridehorses 12-16-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer86 (Post 854113)
A Jr. Cow horse bit also has seperate shanks

That can be said to a degree about any bit with a broken mouth mouth piece but it isn't the same thing. Look at the bit I posted. Each side of the mouth piece goes into a barrel so that when you lift up on one side, it does not affect the other. You can actually rotate the mouth piece totally around which is the reason for the bit hobble- not the same with a 2 or 3 piece mouth piece.

BarrelRacer86 12-16-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iridehorses (Post 854130)
That can be said to a degree about any bit with a broken mouth mouth piece but it isn't the same thing. Look at the bit I posted. Each side of the mouth piece goes into a barrel so that when you lift up on one side, it does not affect the other. You can actually rotate the mouth piece totally around which is the reason for the bit hobble- not the same with a 2 or 3 piece mouth piece.

not really I have 2 bits with shanks like those (reining bits) with 3 piece mouth pices. Both shanks swivel without bothering the other. A gag mouth piece acts in the same manner, you can pull on one side and it won't effect the other sie, whether the bit be broken or solid.

iridehorses 12-16-2010 02:33 PM

Rather then argue the point, we should let this thread get back on track.


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