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down2earth1928 12-29-2010 09:10 PM

what do you think this paint is?
what would you consider my paint.I was wondering if its a medicine hat or war bonnet.what do you think?

mbender 12-29-2010 09:15 PM

I am not sure but I think a medicine hat isn't connected to any other color on the head. I could be wrong.
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NdAppy 12-29-2010 09:15 PM

Neither. The reason being is half his face is colored. You may only see it on one side, but that doesn't make him a war bonnet or a medicine hat paint.

I would call him a Tovero.

down2earth1928 12-29-2010 09:17 PM


Belle 12-29-2010 09:41 PM

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Depending what colour his Sire and Dam are ..I had a gelding..His sire was Sorrel Overo and his mother was a Bay tobiano.He was registered a bay Tobero..???When i asked why Tobero and not Tovero ..I was told because one parent was Tobiano he was Tobero ...if both parents were overo he would be Tovero..Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong..Just relaying what i ws told from his Breeder..I have attached a picture of Bobbyjoe...He has now been sold on..

NdAppy 12-29-2010 09:48 PM

Erm. There are four choices with APHA. Soild breeding stock, Overo, Tovero, and Tobiano. There is no such thing as Tobero.

Tovero is a catch all term for anything that can't be overo or tobiano.

Belle I would bet dollars to donuts that your guy was registered as a tovero.

Belle 12-29-2010 09:58 PM

I have his rego papers in front of me and Yep he is registered Tobero..
Mind you I am from Australia ...Different rego rules???
Maybe our rego system is a little bit different form your in the States..

Funny aye..You would thing that it would be the same her and over there..

Chiilaa 12-29-2010 10:06 PM

I would say it is a typo tbh. V is next to B after all.

NdAppy 12-29-2010 10:18 PM

ooked up the AU Paint horse association. Looks like what they/you call a tobero is the same as what the US considers a tovero -

PHAA Horse Registration Guidelines

(pronounced: tow bair' oh)
The Board of Directors has agreed that the progeny of a registered Tobiano and a registered Overo, that displays both colour patterns, is to be known as a "Tobero", and will be recorded as such on its Registration Papers and in the PHAA Stud Book.

By breeding Overo and Tobiano you could get a Tobiano, an Overo, a Solid, or a combination Tobiano-Overo, "Tobero". A Tobero has the genetic potential to breed either Tobiano or Overo from a Solid coloured partner.

One characteristic of Toberos, can be for the horse to appear to have a completely different coat pattern on either side of its body - tobiano one side and overo on the other. A Tobero horse is a combination of Tobiano and Overo patterns only. In Australia a Sabino/Tobiano or Splashed White/Tobiano combination is NOT termed Tobero. There is a test available for both the Overo and Tobiano genes
APHA.Com - Tobiano Pattern
(pronounced: tow vair' oh)
Dark pigmentation around the ears, which may expand to cover the forehead and/or eyes.
One or both eyes blue.
Dark pigmentation around the mouth, which may extend up the sides of the face and form spots.
Chest spot(s) in varying sizes. These may also extend up the neck.
Flank spot(s) ranging in size. These are often accompanied by smaller spots that extend forward across the barrel, and up over the loin.
Spots, varying in size, at the base of the tail.

In other words tovero = tobero it seems.

ETA - Just FYI, the top two pics in the AU c/p would more then likely be registered as tobianos in the US.

Belle 12-29-2010 10:25 PM

Chiilaa, If you go to the PHAA webite and go to the Studbook and put in 7641 Bobbys rego number or his full sister 6938 you will see that Tobero horses do exist in Australia...
KPM Switched On...Aussie National Halter Champion x3 is a Tobero Stallion. His sire is Switch Hitter for USA.

I dont think it is a there are way too many horses registered as Tobero's in Australia..

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