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Spyder 01-18-2011 01:29 PM

What gaits carry/don't carry impulsion.
 
There is a huge thread on another forum discussing connection and this statement was made.

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Nope, no impulsion in the walk - no suspension, no impulsion is possible.
What are your thoughts?

~*~anebel~*~ 01-18-2011 02:01 PM

From USEF: "Impulsion is the term used to describe the transmission of an eager and energetic, yet controlled propulsive energy generated from the hindquarters into the athletic movement of the horse. Its ultimate expression can be shown only through the horse’s soft and swinging back to be guided by a gentle contact with the rider’s hand."

Mentions nothing about whether or not said gait where impulsion exists must also have a moment of suspension. It is simply the feeling that you can halt or do an extended trot at your whim and the horse will be responsive, related to submission.

Spyder 01-18-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~ (Post 894354)
It is simply the feeling that you can halt or do an extended trot at your whim and the horse will be responsive, related to submission.

Drive produces impulsion and only from that drive can you collect or extend the gait. That would include the walk. There may not be as much impulsion that can be derived from other gaits but impulsion is there.

faye 01-18-2011 02:26 PM

You can have impulsion in any gait. Impulsion is energy between your hand and leg, that feeling of being sat on a tightly coiled spring - the contained energy!

The uninformed think it has to do with suspension in the trot and canter but it is totaly unrelated, you can have suspension without impulsion! some horses naturaly have alot of suspension in the trot (e.g. the arab) this does not mean they have alot of impulsion.

kitten_Val 01-18-2011 05:26 PM

As far as I understand the impulsion is a drive from behind. How come you can't have one on walk?

Per my trainer "you must have impulsion whether you walk or trot" (and she mostly keeps saying it on walk, because for me it's a bigger challenge).

MyBoyPuck 01-18-2011 07:47 PM

I know that if I have no impulsion at the walk, there's no point in asking for a canter depart. To me impulsion denotes power coming from behind. I don't see where impulsion and suspension can be figured into the equation together. One is engagement and the other is movement.

Shasta1981 01-19-2011 08:12 PM

Isn't impulsion defined as thrust? Wouldn't that mean that any movement could and should ideally have impulsion? Doesn't a piaffe have impulsion? To be honest I'm not following the reference to suspension.

Interesting thread.

JustDressageIt 01-19-2011 08:16 PM

From what I understand, in order to have impusion you must be in motion. While walking, you are most certainly in motion. You can collect and extend the walk just the same as the trot and canter, so I couldn't see why you couldn't have impulsion at the walk. A horse can still round up and work from the hind end at a walk.

MyBoyPuck 01-19-2011 08:21 PM

Someone posted a link to something somewhere...I can't remember what thread or for what reason. Anyway, it described impulsion as, picture a train with 5 cars and an engine in the rear. The engine that pushes the car provides the impulsion. If a horse is pulling itself along with it's front end, apparently there's no impulsion there.

Shasta1981 01-19-2011 08:30 PM

Impulsion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, check out wiki. I'm not entirely sure how reliable wikipedia is but it seems ok most of the time. It is referencing the German training scale which says that impulsion cannot be achieved at the walk. Maybe that's what the person was referring to? I don't understand how that can be though. Several portions of this definition seem to contradict itself. And yeah, if you can move and track up at the walk why wouldn't that be impulsion?


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