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candandy49 01-22-2011 12:13 PM

RE: Dunskin or Buckskin
I didn't want to hijack the original "Dun or Buckskin" thread with info on Holly, the POA. First I need to explain my using the present tense and past tense words was/is when talking about her. One of my neices wanted to buy Holly so she would Have a horse she could ride so I sold Holly to her. Eight short weeks later I got an email from my neice saying Holly had died. I cried and cried. What happened was my neice had another horse that was colicky so she stalled both her horse and Holly, separately. The colicky horse died in the night and was found to have bite marks all over her. Holly was found dead in the pasture with bite marks on her, too. Neice's Vet lived only a few houses from her's so he arrived shortly, saying the he saw a pack of coyotes running from the pasture. He did a necropsy on Holly and found she had massive internal damage. She had escaped her stall when the coyotes were attacking the dead horse. The top picture is of Holly. The bottom is one I stuck with her picture to scan to my photo album.
I never knew what Holly's sire and dam looked like. She was originally bought in Texas and brought up here to Missouri. She had the typical Appy characteristics in that she had mottled skin on her muzzle and under her tail, striped hooves and sclera of the eyes, but no spots any where. Her mane and tail were a shade of brown and varnish on her legs. I have a couple of other pictures of her, but I'd have to do a "reply to post" to get them on here.

candandy49 01-22-2011 12:20 PM

I am sorry to double post, but it's the only way I know how to get more than one picture or set of pictures posted.
Here are Holly with my sister's grandson mounted and one of my Granddaughter with a much to large helmet on her head :lol:

Thank You for your indulgence.

ETA: There is another picture of Holly in the original post "Dun or Buckskin".

HorsesMakeLifeBetter 01-22-2011 02:26 PM

Sorry to hear about your mare. I have a similar sad story, I sold my 5 year old mare and a few months later we got notified that she had been out in a pasture with several other horses and was killed by a cougar. This was confirmed by a game warden. I felt so sad for both the girl I sold her too and the loss of a such a young mare. Again, sorry for your loss.

wild_spot 01-22-2011 03:26 PM

She looks champagne to me, not dun or buckskin.
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Poseidon 01-22-2011 04:07 PM

Those pictures are kind of washed out. Did she look like these guys?

Those are amber champagne, which is often confused for buckskin.

anshorsenut88 01-23-2011 12:04 AM

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Champagne was my first thought too! The light characteristics on the face that you pointed out can be caused my the champagne color. I have personally never saw a champagne appaloosa though I "googled it". :D Come to find out... some of the pics look JUST like your mare. Hahaha.
...well what I can see from the pics. They have almost "muddy" looking points, not black. Which is what the Champagne does on a Bay based horse. I hope this helps. :-) Very interesting though! Thanks for posting.

candandy49 01-23-2011 09:43 AM

Poseidon and others, Thank You so much for your replies. Poseidon, Holly did look very much like the pictures you posted. Her mane and tail were darker than the ones in the top picture, but lighter than the second picture. She also had the coloring of the second horse's legs, just not as dark. I'm wondering if the Champagne color is a recognized one with the
Breed Associations or Clubs? If not, would they be registered as Buckskin or Dun? When I had Holly there was much discussion as to what color she was considered. The barn I bought her from said she was a Buckskin, but I disagreed, some said Dun, which was more likely to me and one said she was a Buttermilk Buckskin. When I bought her a number of years ago now I was still a AQHA member and in referring to their rule book on acceptable colors the Buckskin was described as a horse with a light tannish body and black legs, mane and tail. A Dun was a light tannish color with brownish mane and tail and usually, though not always, a dorsal line. Referred to as a Line-Back Dun. That was back when the Cremello and Perlino were not accepted as colors of the AQHA. Those colors were registered as Palomino, back then.

Thanks again for all respondences.

Poseidon 01-23-2011 11:58 AM

I'm not an AQHA member, so I have no idea if they accept champagnes, but do you know if she had any dun factor markings? Like shoulder barring, leg barring, a dorsal stripe? It is possible to have the champagne gene and the dun gene.

Luna9 01-23-2011 12:41 PM

I agree with Champagne. If she were a dun she would have had a darker line down her back and Buckskins are generally darker :)

candandy49 01-23-2011 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Poseidon (Post 900306)
I'm not an AQHA member, so I have no idea if they accept champagnes, but do you know if she had any dun factor markings? Like shoulder barring, leg barring, a dorsal stripe? It is possible to have the champagne gene and the dun gene.

She had none of the Dun factor markings. No shoulder barring, no leg barring and no dorsal stripe.

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