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Chele11 03-17-2011 04:43 AM

Training comment
I read an old post about someone jumping and there were so many negative comments bc the individual (I believe she was a child) was jumping without the right saddle or clothing and didn't have a trainer.

My comment is this because I don't know where else to put it but wanted to address it in case it arose it again:

Some people learn best by doing it themselves. Teaching themselves. I am one of those people. I also, have always needed to be one of those people because I cannot afford to be taught (numerous things, but my horse is no exception).

If there were a class I could take on equine management for the horse owner, I'd sign up for it -if I could afford it. I'd also sign up for lessons if they were available in my area (with my horse) or a trainer for my horse if I could be directly involved. But for the most part, I'd rather figure out the problem myself and resolve it. It might take longer, but in the long run, I've learned more and in doing so, might not make different mistakes because of the process.

Perhaps I'm not the only one who learns this way. Perhaps it may seem a bit odd but it works for me. When I'm over my head or confused, I ask for help and take the offered suggestions.

ButtInTheDirt 03-17-2011 02:36 PM

I can see the point you are trying to make. There are alot of people who have to teach themselves because they can't afford to get a professional trainer. I do have a trainer, but still sometimes I can't afford everything high-end for my horse. Does that make me a terrible horse owner because I don't get a bit that tears into my horses mouth and tack that shines like the sun? Or that I don't have an inclosed barn with stalls to keep my horses? Or that I don't have separate feeding areas designated for each little need for my horses?

Some people just get rediculous. I mean there is a line between just the every day horse owner and being cruel to an animal. A very fat line, to put it that way. But the people who can afford everything and purchase every possible product for their horses and show them every weekend think there is no difference.

People who can afford everything shouldn't spend their time nagging the every day person. They could actually be useful and do something that will actually benefit the world, rather than just making it a more angry place. Some people just waste oxygen with their existance with the dumb comments I've heard.

People should try loving their horses, it works. No matter how disgusted I might be with my horses at the end of the day, I still love them. Love isn't measured by how you house your horse or what you feed them, it's an emotion. And just because people can't afford something for someone, doesn't mean they love htem any less.

Scoutrider 03-17-2011 04:43 PM

I didn't read the post that you're referring to, Chele11, so I might be totally off target with this...

I'm all for self-teaching where appropriate. I'm all for reading books, watching videos, and learning everything possible about horsemanship through every source available. I very much understand how difficult it can be to budget for training sessions/riding lessons after all of the other expenses of horse ownership (and life in general, in the current economic conditions).

The thing is, and a probable reason why there can be negative comments like you described, is that there are some problems/endeavors that really are best/most safely undertaken with the help of a professional. Jumping is one of those things - the correct saddle fosters the correct position, maximizing stability and safety of horse and rider. Can you jump in a non-jumping saddle? To a degree, but it isn't going to help horse or rider learn proper/safe form. Another place where the same kind of comments crop up is when someone has a major training problem and refuses to search for on-site professional help - some problems simply can't be safely handled by novice riders.

Often, it doesn't need to be a self-proclaimed, shingle-hanging professional. There might be a more knowledgeable horseman locally, a friend or neighbor, who can explain/demonstrate/teach more advanced concepts and techniques, or deal with a training problem.

Could you please post a link to the thread you're referencing, Chele11? I'd be interested to read it (there are a lot of jumping threads to look through :lol: ). I expect the majority of the comments truly were made with the best interest of the rider and horse at heart.

MyBoyPuck 03-17-2011 05:59 PM

I also self teach, but try to work in a lesson or clinic when $$ allows. The reason being, all the books and DVDs in the world cannot give you feel for a certain gait or movement. Case in point, I finally have the beginnings of a good working trot going with my horse. The only way I was able to find it myself was through trial and error. We played with the forward part, and the balance part and are just now finding the medium ground between the two. While doing so, I inadvertently found many gears of trot between the two extremes and really do not know if the one I think is the actual working trot is the right one. Only an educated eye can tell me for sure if I've got it right.

I think people come off as negative when they see people learning alone simply because, A) Riding is dangerous and B) No way of knowing if they are learning correctly. You don't know what you don't know. With a more green or difficult horse, the learning curve can be very steep.

equiniphile 03-17-2011 06:09 PM

I agree with you, to an extent. I'm absolutely fine with someone who wants to learn to jump when they both have the basics developed on the flat, teaching themselves a bit. Watching videos online, asking for and getting critique on themselves and also seeing others critique others, whether online or in person. As long as they have no major problems and keep it reasonable, I'm fine with that.

The problem arises when the horse has an obvious lameness issue or injury and the rider continues to try to jump them despite this problem, or when they see big-time jumpers wearing martingales and try one out for the heck of it, cranking it down until it's dangerous, or when the horse and/or rider don't have the basics established on the flat. You don't have to be a flawless rider, but you should know what you're doing. The other disadvantage of not having a trainer is when riders get overly-ambitious and hop over a little crossrail a few times, then bump the rail up to a 3' vertical all in the first day. THIS I have problems with. But, for the average backyard rider, I have no problem with them teaching themselves.

Can you link to or PM me the thread? I'm curious to see how it was handled.

mystikal222 03-17-2011 06:29 PM

Im not really self-taught,as I do lessons with a trainer as often as I can afford (ranging from once a week for a month to several months in between).I posted something about what other people would do if they were me,a totaly novice (aside from ridding like a hillbilly my whole life) rider with a yearling.I got CHEWED OUT by people stating that I had no business trying to train my horse myself,even with help from a trainer.They said I should SEND him away to a trainer (which I would never do even if I could afford it) and got downright rude and for that reason I havent been on this forum for over a year since this past sunday.
Im happy to say Salem and I are doing OUTSTANDING! I lesson on another horse on and off to focus on just me and Salem just amazing for his age,even with his novice teacher because Ive worked my BUTT OFF to get it right and use every chance I have to work on something,be it ground work or undersaddle.
Not every person or every horse will do the same with any kind of training and you just have to go with what works for you.Cocky ppl who dont ask for any kind of help are the ones who mess it up,but that certainly doesnt mean that NO ONE can go it without having their hand held the whole way :)

sarahver 03-17-2011 06:38 PM

Chele, I agree with you and disagree with you.

As a self taught rider I agree in the sense that there is far too much emphasis on having static training sessions week in week out for people that are not competing on a regular basis. Hours in the saddle teaches you more about general riding and horse sense than any instructor in the world could hope to offer.

As a competitive rider I disagree with the notion that you should teach yourself to jump. Bad idea. Mostly it is bad for your trusty steed's back and mouth, no ifs, no buts, no whys. I spent years riding racehorses before I began eventing. When I started training my horse over fences (I was about 19 at that time) I could tell straight away that I needed help in the interests of my safety and my horses safety.

Could I stay on around a course? Hell yeah! But my form was atrocious so off to the trainer I took myself. I had a lesson once a month and that was enough to give me an entire months worth of exercises to perfect before I went back for more.

masatisan 03-17-2011 06:52 PM

I think I know the post you are referring to, and if it is the one I'm thinking of I fully agree that the peoples response to her post was rude and uncalled for and totally unhelpful.

I haven't had a proper lesson in over three years. My aunt rides at a hoity-toity eventing barn and her friend was totally astonished when I told her about Caleb. "he never gets grain?" only stable feed as a treat, "he never goes in a stall?" he would go insane in a stall "he never wears a blanket and he's outside all the time?" yep, along with the 84 other horses where he lives. Then again, he never gets clipped or bathed and has never had his mane pulled. Oh and this one really made her go "whaaa?" My farrier floats his teeth, and doesn't use sedative.

TKButtermilk 03-17-2011 07:23 PM

I am entirely self taught. Have never had a lesson, I've been given tips here and there and have been to one clinic 2 years ago. I am fortunate enough to be VERY visual, I tend to notice little things others don't. However with the things I've done I'm just lucky nothing bad ever happened and by some miracle my horses are great. I'm actually a very good rider and get a lot of compliments(which is weird for me because I just ride). I do not think everyone can be self taught. I want to eventually learn to jump, I have access to jumps and my horse used to be a jumper and jumps so cute! However I know my limits and I want to learn the right way, so I'm waiting to find a good teacher. Jumping is dangerous and its just not worth it.
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justjump 03-17-2011 07:34 PM

I'm not one for self teaching when it comes to riding.. Especially jumping. But that's just me! I know a lot of people that travel around without a trainer who do exceptional at the shows. However, even if you don't have a trainer, you should always show up for the show wearing the right clothing and riding in correct tack. That's just my opinion. I understand it's hard for people to afford it, but if that is the case, go to some schooling shows and wear a polo and jodphurs!

When it comes to the non-riding part, I normally teach myself. I was taught the basics of braiding manes in 2009 by a professional. After that, I taught myself everything. I watched countless videos and read numerous articles abs eventually perfected my technique for braiding. I'm not in the process of learning the tail braid... Don't know if that will come as easy!(:

Anyway, I think it's perfectly fine if your self taught, as long as you still show up for class at shows, and treat your horse with respect and don't ride like a total lunatic at shows, if you even show. (:
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