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thepie24 04-23-2008 12:55 PM

Saddleseat- How has this not been outlawed?
I don't mean to offend, but how can the discipline of Saddleseat be accepted as a legitimate equestrian sport? The horses, mostly Saddlebreds, are locked their stalls most of the time, ridden for 15-20 minutes a day and shod in ridiculous shoes. They have no to time to just be horses, and in the less reputable barns have ginger put in their rectums, chains around their ankles, their tails "nicked"(the nerves cut so that they can hold the tail unnaturally high) and put in tail sets which look suspiciously like torture devices, and sharp bits put in their mouths, all to enhance their "natural" gaits. Natural saddlebreds are sweet, intelligent, beautiful horses who have been enslaved by their riders. In my personal experience, I came across a saddlebred so destroyed by Saddleseat that he was unrideable, sore and his spirit broken. Rumors came in with his owners that firecrackers had been thrown at him to excite him to perform his gaits more extravagantly. People compare it to show jumping and dressage, saying they also use harsh bits and force horses to do things, which may be true, but the real issue is how an entire breed is being exploited, treated as though they are just gaits, not living breathing animals who need to be respected and allowed to act as their instincts dictate, not left in a stall for hours on end wearing a tail set to force them to carry their tail high and shoes that make them snap their feet up. How can the equestrian community ignore this obviously inhumane discipline?

Saddlebred girl 04-23-2008 01:35 PM

saddleseat is not cruel
Hi i just want to say i have been working with saddlebreds nearly all my life and never have i seen cruel training methods being used on them.they are taken outside to paddocks for half of the day and only spend half the day in the stables.the young horses are alwayr outside for the whole day.the shoes they have are padded and absorb the movement.the shoes are not so heavy.tail nicking isnt illegal and it doesnt hurt the is done whe foals are only a few days old.there are strickt rules at saddlebred shows and when a horse show signs of being abused it is disqualified.horses are also tested for forbidden drugs and disqualified.

tim 04-23-2008 03:22 PM

You can find that crap in all disciplines if you dig deep enough.

LadyDreamer 04-23-2008 03:22 PM

Please, PLEASE come to my barn. I will gladly take you trough mine as well as every top barn in kentucky, to help you better understand the breed and dicipline. I will address your concerns when i get home from work.

What a handful of people do to hier horses is no reason to condemn the entire breed or dicipline.

thepie24 04-23-2008 04:15 PM

I'm not trying to start a fight, but I own a Saddlebred who spent 8 years in a saddleseat barn and what i've seen does no justice for the sport, and i think people need to understand what is going on. Saddlebreds are athletic and intelligent, one of the best breeds in my opinion, but the stereotype associated with them is due to the attitudes and actions of saddleseat enthusiasts. I have no problem with gaited horses, but the methods seem absolutely cruel. Tail nicking seems the most extreme, i mean surgery when they're born? give them a chance at a normal life at least. And the tail sets are down right miserable for those horses. I know that not every barn is so severe, and that similar things can be found in all the equestrian disciplines, but nothing compares to the situations in saddleseat. you can't use ginger to make a horse piaffe or jump an oxer, and to top it all off it seems to be almost accepted as typical in saddleseat.

my2geldings 04-23-2008 05:24 PM

I'm sure we could all make a list of "equestrian" sports that would be removed completely.

I'm sure if you were to ask those who take part in saddleseat competitions what they think of hunter/jumpers or eventing, they would also give you a piece of their mind.

We all have our opinions, and I don't think starting this post was fair towards those who enjoy the sport.

Dave 04-23-2008 05:44 PM

thepie24 I m sorry you are in an area or a barn that the cruel treatment of saddlebreds is being done .I am new to saddlebreds as an owner but in the last year that i have been around the saddlebreds i have not saw any of what you are telling me that is going on in your area , I do know as with the T.W.H. ass that they sored horses in ways that is so unbelievable and for a long time have gotten away with it but as of this time in history it is illigeal to sore a horse and they are stopping it when ever they do catch them at it . Now i do know barns like say saddlebred rescue in i think it is new jersey , show as well as rescue saddlebreds that are being sent to the kill pens and are abuse by the type people you are seeing , i persoanly have not seen the abuse of the ASB horse but i have seen abuse in all other breeds in one form or another. like it i do not and do not allow in in my place but it happens everywhere , im sorry to say . But please before you comdem a complete breed organastion , take the time and checkout and visit some of the better or well just a lot of different saddlebred barns . I know you will see that it is a small group that are abuseing the horses not the majority , i have been in the training and buying and selling of horses for 55 yrs and i have seen a lot of different abuses in all breeds from the family pony that is forced to carry great aunt jane at 450 lb to the amish farmers who drive the horses down blacktop roads at a hard trot all day long carring people in a heavey wagon . some of the stuff you and i as well as others see as abuse to our ways is in fact a way of life to some people and groups but the bad abuse is being stopped and most ASB barns are good careing barns .. First let me assure you i have no connection with any barn or really any certain breed as i have all different breeds and types of horses , but truely go check out the barns and you will find a difference in the people of the majority do not hurt there horses , in fact the ones who hurt them are getting to be a miniority and there numbers are going down daily as people dont stand for the abuse any longer . sorry i do appolige for the long post everyone , but as most of you who talk with me i do get on my wagon and go on and on on some subjects well all subjects concerning horses. Ill take a whipping from ten big men before i let a horse im around be hurt in any way , in any barn i may be at it dont matter the horse is my life and i cherish them all even yours and i dont even know you but that this old man friends call mustang crazy me

Kyani 04-23-2008 06:16 PM

Dressage has rollkur and 'see-sawing'; AQHA halter has HYPP, tiny feet and post-legs; jumping has people lifting poles to rap horses' legs; saddleseat has this crap.

You can't use some people's bad practice as reason to dump on the entire discipline. However horrific it may be, it's not everyone, and there's probably someone doing something equally horrific in the very sport you love.

But everyone else has already covered that.

PoptartShop 04-23-2008 07:28 PM

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Yeah, I have heard some bad stuff about all disciplines. It doesn't mean everyone who does it, treats the horses like that. ;) But in your area, that doesn't sound too good.
They shouldn't do that.

thepie24 04-23-2008 07:47 PM

i acknowledge that all disciplines have their issues, but most of these are the result of bad riding, ignorance, or incompetence. a large number of saddleseat riders voluntarily make their horses uncomfortable on a regular basis for appearance, and its not just one or two things, its the horses' entire lifestyle. my saddlebred still won't take a bit, even a soft snaffle, without resistance because of the bicycle chain bits used on him when he was young. I'm not trying to offend, but there is no defending some of the things they do to their horses, they're beyond reason. if i piss off someone who puts a tail set on their horse, then so be it. what i have seen in the past seven years makes me sick, and I live near Wellington Florida, an area with a very high concentration professional barns and riders of all kinds

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