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WWA 03-29-2011 11:02 AM

Sorrel or silver bay?
 
I have a question to all you color-gurus :wink:

First and foremost, I don't really care what color my girl is... she is sweet and I love her coat 'no matter what'... I just saw an ad for a colt with the same color as she is, and the he was listed as 'silver bay'... so I was wondering...

The dam and sire of Etoile (she's a registered Canadian) are both black, her siblings are all black and also her grand sires and dams... (Canadians are mostly black with very few bays and the occasional sorrel; at least at the breeders I got her from).

I know the 'silver' gene can not be tested, but could it be, that she is a sliver bay?

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/Etoile02.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/Etoile01.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...780966_n-1.jpg

Jacksmama 03-29-2011 02:07 PM

I think she is probably a sorrel with the flaxen gene, which would lighten the mane and tail. I think a lot of people mislabel horses with some kind of silver because it's a sought after color and it gets more views, the horse you saw probably wasn't a silver bay either. Check out the link. It expresses a multitude of ways, but there are a few traits that are universal. The silver gene lightens all black on the body to chocolate brown, and fades the mane and tail. IME it doesn't go blonde though, more of a silvery color. There is often barring on the legs and counter shading often mistaken for a dorsal stripe.
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Speed Racer 03-29-2011 02:14 PM

I see sorrel.

equiniphile 03-29-2011 02:21 PM

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Flaxen chestnut/flaxen sorrel. Or just sorrel....I don't see silver. She looks kind of like my flaxen chestnut mare:

CCH 03-29-2011 02:22 PM

Silver can be tested. Horse Testing - Equine Genetic Testing

I don't see it in her though. One of the expressions is silver in the eyelashes and she doesn't appear to have any.

WWA 03-29-2011 02:36 PM

Thanks everyone!
That's what I thought too and after all, she is registered as a sorrel. Just that ad that made me wonder... but like Jacksmama said, the horse might have just been listed as sliver bay to attract buyers.

I just love how nature comes up with a sorrel with flaxen mane/tail when all her ancesters are black! :D

Alwaysbehind 03-29-2011 02:36 PM

I see sorrel too.

WWA 03-29-2011 02:40 PM

Thank you for the link CCH!
I read that it can't be tested... well, not that it matters in my case but it's good to know anyways.

NdAppy 03-29-2011 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacksmama (Post 978879)
I think she is probably a sorrel with the flaxen gene, which would lighten the mane and tail. I think a lot of people mislabel horses with some kind of silver because it's a sought after color and it gets more views, the horse you saw probably wasn't a silver bay either. Check out the link. It expresses a multitude of ways, but there are a few traits that are universal. The silver gene lightens all black on the body to chocolate brown, and fades the mane and tail. IME it doesn't go blonde though, more of a silvery color. There is often barring on the legs and counter shading often mistaken for a dorsal stripe.
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Unfortunately you are only partially right. Silver can and does make a mane/tail completely white.

My silver bay -
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http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._6855332_n.jpg
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OP you horse is a flaxen sorrel, no doubt in my mind about that.

WWA 03-29-2011 03:09 PM

I'm not trying to be offensive NdAppy but your cutie looks sorrel/flaxen to me as well :wink:.
What is the difference? How can you tell if it's a sorrel/flaxen or a silver bay.

I'm really only asking for my own (and maybe some others) eduacation here... not trying to proof anyone right or wrong. :-)


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