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TjWr 05-16-2011 01:46 PM

Liver chestnut vs Silver Bay vs ..? Not sure what color my yearling is!
 
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Hello,
I just bought this yearling Spotted Saddle horse for my son about a month ago. He had TONS of worms, was pretty hairy and dirty, I assumed he was a liver chestnut tobiano with the flaxen mane, but now that he's shed out, and had numerous baths, and looking much healthier... I'm not sure! The dark spots look almost black bay, but have silver dapple areas in them. The close up of his neck is NOT wet... but see the different shades ?

What color is he? Thanks for any input! :)

TjWr 05-16-2011 03:11 PM

Even if you're not sure, please post what you're thinking.. any feedback would be great.

CrazyHorseArtist 05-16-2011 03:38 PM

ok if you are thinking he has silver it would prolly be silver on black imo but he could still be liver as some chestnuts are so dark they look near black. Do you by any chance know his parents and such? It would deff help to know his pedigree and the colors there if possible.
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TjWr 05-16-2011 03:50 PM

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Thanks for the response! No photos of the sire. Mom is on the left in both the photos. They are pretty much identical in color! :) -- And as for the silver bay, would look like silver on black, I don't know...... I've been reading a lot on this color - basically brown with flaxen mane, - one article I read is that the "silver bay" can be impossible to tell the difference between some liver chestnuts besides the black legs - which since my yearling is a tobiano, he has white legs! LOL so that "tip" didn't help me any. I do not know if that tip is true, it was in one article I read. I wasn't able to find the article again, but here is the wikipedia article on "silver dapple gene" Silver dapple gene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The two shades on his neck - it's like that all over his body - and he's completely shed out in those areas (where his winter coat is, it's more reddish - hence why we thought he was liver chestnut ) but as he shed that out, it got dark brown (like bay) with the silvery dapples. :?

Thanks for your opinion!! I'm sure it will be next to impossible to know for sure without DNA testing, but I was curious to know what people thought of his color :)
:D

TjWr 05-16-2011 03:52 PM

^^^^That is what he looked like when we picked him up from his previous owner a month ago. With the reddish brown winter hair on his hip/belly we figured liver chestnut. The pictures in the original post were taken yesterday, mostly shed out, and a lot darker!

TjWr 05-16-2011 03:54 PM

Oh, and the sire, no photos, but the previous owner just said "pretty much looks like him".... so not really much help :)

CrazyHorseArtist 05-17-2011 07:07 AM

The dappling on his neck could just be to good grooming. Healthy, clean horses have dapples.
Silver bay looks like a bay with flaxen, and maybe some coat fading. (Here is a nice example of a Silver Bay)

Silver on black is no different. Flaxen Mane & tale and maybe some coat fading. (The horse in the red halter is Silver Black)

If they were Silver I'd say Silver on Black. If you're really curious a silver test is only about $25usd.

Chiilaa 05-17-2011 07:19 AM

I am going to go with Silver Black. Silver Black is often commonly referred to as silver dapple, or Taffy in Australia. The dapples are part of the silver gene taking effect on the coat. If you want to compare to other horses, you get great results using Google Images, but search for Silver Dapple :)

TjWr 05-17-2011 07:55 AM

I hadn't even considered silver black! But yes, compared to the two photos you provided, I would say silver black is the more likely of the two. But also, as you say, Liver Chestnut is still a possibility. I probably will have him tested for Silver, since I was going to have him tested to see if he is homozygous tobiano. I was just curious to see what people thought.

Chiilaa 05-17-2011 07:57 AM

I personally don't see liver at all. The colour on his neck just doesn't say red to me.


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