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garlicbunny 05-25-2011 10:54 PM

should a new horse already have vac,teeth etc
Ok, so we found this horse we really like (post is in trailriding)..I am getting no where as far as wanting his health records. The horse was leased out last year and went to fair, said his last vaccinations were in July 10 and it was a 5 way. I asked to get a copy and she says she does not have the record and that the lesser might have them. I asked for the name and number of the leaser and she never did give it to me. She did however give me the name of the vet to call and talk to them. Imo the purchaser should get all records, and they probably won;t give them to me anyways since I am not the owner.. Does it sound like maybe she is trying to cover something up? I don't know...I don;t trust anyone I don;t know that much.

So my question is should we have to pay for vaccinations if we pay full price for the horse? I don;t think we should. Also what about worming and feet trims and maybe teeth floated? Seems like since July is only a month away the horse should come with at least fully vaccinated.

I think if she wants full price for the horse she should pay for vaccinations OR she should take at least 100 dollars off the price as one of the ads says the horse for sale is final reduction. thanks.. and the horse is well over our limit but we couldn't find what we wanted for what our original range.

JustDressageIt 05-25-2011 11:02 PM

The vet will not release records without the owner's permission, and even then you might not be able to access records without the owner getting them for you. Either make it a condition of sale that the horse be UTD on everything, negotiate the sale (the seller may say no), accept it as is, or walk away from the sale. In my personal opinion, I wouldn't really haggle over $100.

garlicbunny 05-26-2011 07:12 AM

Thank you JustDressageit, That sounds fair, guess it's not her fault we went over our price range when we couldn't a good horse in our original range.

mbender 05-26-2011 07:27 AM

I feel that if a seller can not provide all documents and vaccination records that it is in the buyers best interest to figure out the worth of the purchase. I believe that if she gave a vets name and number, I would personally call them and simply ask I am looking at purchasing this animal and would like to know when the last time this horse has been vaccinated. Tell them that you just don't want to over vaccinate if this horse was previously done.

Or if you feel they are trying to hide something, maybe this is a red flag and you should walk away. If I were going to purchase an animal, I would require all vaccination records or the name of the vet used. If I were a seller, and did not have documents as proof of vaccs. I would provide the name of vet used and make sure I gave my vet permission to give out important information to said buyer. If non of these things were provided and I was unable to get the information needed, I would walk away. Be safe.
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Sahara 05-26-2011 09:21 AM

Some people give their own vax and don't keep meticulous records. That doesn't mean the vax weren't given. I don't see that as a red flag at all. If it is a $1000 horse, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing was done. If it's a $5000 horse I'd expect it to be current on everything.

wyominggrandma 05-26-2011 09:25 AM

I think you just have to decide how bad you want the horse. Some owners around where I live never vaccinate their horses, never float their teeth, etc. Some people have so many they just do favorites.
I have bought many horses, and can't even say one time that the horse seller gave me paperwork of shots/floating/vet care. I also have to say I asked and been told yes or no, but who knows if they ever did.
If she told you the horse was last vaccinated in July 10, then the horse needs to be vaccinated again anyway. Most folks, if they are selling a horse and it needs vaccinations, then they want to sell the horse before they have to spend more money.
You can't force a seller to have the horse up to date on shots/worming/shoes. You either buy the horse or don't. Just plan on spending the extra money to give shots, etc again. It won't hurt the horse since it sounds like it has been almost a year anyway.

VelvetsAB 05-26-2011 10:11 AM

Since the horse is almost due again for shots, I would rather my own vet take a look at the horse and give it the first shots when it was with me. That way, I now have a record started for the horse, and won't have to worry about it later on.

Crossover 05-26-2011 10:57 AM

I personally like having all the records but to me it would depend on the actual price of the horse. If I'm buying a cheap horse then I expect that I will most likely be getting everything done once it arrives. If I were buying a high priced show horse... I'd expect it to be up to date on everything.

Personally, I give my horses thier shots and I keep good records, for my own sake as well for any future sales. I write down all shots, farrier work, and worming. Most people who know me would be surprised as I am not usually an organized person, but after one day of asking myself if a horse had gotten its shot already I decided I was going to make sure to write them down.

AlexS 05-29-2011 07:02 PM

i wouldn't worry about those things, I almost rather do them all once I get the horse so I know exactly when they were done rather than taking someone else's word for it if there are no records.

livestoride 05-29-2011 07:09 PM

I agree with everyone else. I wouldn't worry over the $100 it will cost you and if you really like this horse it isn't worth losing him/her over it. It is also nice to start fresh with everything and your own vet as well. Neither of my horses had anything done when we bought them. They also were only $800. I guess I would expect it more if they cost more.

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