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Teeny 05-29-2011 03:45 PM

Horse that just wont STOP!
 
Well i have a 14yr old Tb x mare , she is okay to walk and trot but as soon as i ask for canter she is impossible to bring back to trot/walk . She has a running martingale , a gackle( think thats what its called :-|) bridle, and a snaffle bit.
Is there anything you think i should change ? Right now if she canters i need to turn her in a circle to slow her down but i really want her to be able to go back to trot with ease :-(

Thanks:-P

budgirl123 05-29-2011 03:48 PM

snaffle bit?! thats the simplest kind of bit
i recommend a pelham
they give a lot more leverage and if used correctly you can use the curb rein for downward transitions my horse is the same way! ahah
and you can run your horse into the fence if you can't stop...thats what i do it helps! even though it seems mean they will get the message

shelleyb 05-29-2011 03:57 PM

Grackle* lol. and i would NOT recommend changing to a pelham! Its a very harsh bit and if not used in the correct manor can do more harm than good... and besides if she has the mentality that when she goes she doesnt want to stop then changing her bit may just make her harder in the mouth.

How long have you had her for? has she been raced? It could just be a training/schooling issue that needs dealing with... im no expert so im afraid cannot give you any advise but just my opinion! xx

budgirl123 05-29-2011 04:00 PM

a pelham doesn't have to be that harsh it depends on what kind you get...
you can get a pelham thats is very harsh or you can get a happy mouth one
but either way it provides more leverage so when asking for the downward transition you can use the curb rein
my 17.2 irish draught drags me around with a pelham in.

shelleyb 05-29-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by budgirl123 (Post 1049985)
my 17.2 irish draught drags me around with a pelham in.

Thats my point... if the horse has the mentality just to go... then it will just go... regardless of the bit.... as you have just said :)

pintophile 05-29-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by budgirl123 (Post 1049985)
a pelham doesn't have to be that harsh it depends on what kind you get...
you can get a pelham thats is very harsh or you can get a happy mouth one
but either way it provides more leverage so when asking for the downward transition you can use the curb rein
my 17.2 irish draught drags me around with a pelham in.

Yes, but when the horse is already running through the bit, I don't think adding a harsher bit is the solution. I would agree with you to add a bit more breaks were it just a matter of needing the horse to slow down a bit and listen more, but this horse is obviously beyond that-it doesn't appear to be listening at ALL. The horse needs more training, not more force. Putting a bigger bit in is just going to make her even more hard-mouthed when she figures out she can run through this one too.

But sorry OP, I don't have any advice for you. I'm sure someone else will.

Spastic_Dove 05-29-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by budgirl123 (Post 1049968)
snaffle bit?! thats the simplest kind of bit
i recommend a pelham
they give a lot more leverage and if used correctly you can use the curb rein for downward transitions my horse is the same way! ahah
and you can run your horse into the fence if you can't stop...thats what i do it helps! even though it seems mean they will get the message


No no no!

The point is to have them go in the simplest bit possible. leverage bits can be used on finished horses with finess, but bits are not brakes!

As already mentioned, if he is running through your snaffle, there's nothing stopping him from running through a pelham or any other bit.

Training is your answer. Get him stopping at the walk, then bring him to the trot. Lots of transitions.

Can you tell me what you do when you ask him to stop?

Teeny 05-29-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove (Post 1050020)

Can you tell me what you do when you ask him to stop?

I usually say 'whoa' because she actually responds to that very well and also saying her nickname (teeny) helps , but when she just runs through the bit i hold my hands to the sides and pull ( is that right or wrong:shock:) but if she doesnt respond to that i turn her in a cicle anc then she just walks again :-|

Spastic_Dove 05-29-2011 04:49 PM

What I would do with her, is re-teach her (or just teach her) to stop based off of your seat.

When you are asking your horse to stop, there should be a progression of your aides. It's not exactly fair to ask your horse to go from run to stop with no warning. So for instance if I am cantering along and I want to stop first what I will do is sit deep in my saddle letting my weight fall down through my legs so I feel heavy in the saddle. My position stays the same, but I am letting my weight sit more so the horse learns that means I want him to slow.

If he ignores that, I may add a "whoa". If he ignores that, I will do a few half halts on the rein, and then pick up being a little more 'loud' with my aides.


This isn't something you should just start from a canter. If you teach this at a walk, it will be much easier to translate to the canter.
If you feel your horse isn't stopping, I don't recommend running him into a wall or fence. I've seen quite a few injuries happen that way. Instead if you can, I like to put them on a circle and spiral down ward. Pick up on your inside rein and push his hip to the outside of the circle.


At a walk or a trot, you can try a one rein stop, but I really don't like them for anything faster because I feel like you can off balance the horse too easily.

budgirl123 05-29-2011 05:21 PM

if the horse is taking off then a snaffle isnt the answer shes taking advantage of the bit
a snaffle barely does anything
if she is showing then she may need another bit maybe she doesnt need a pelham but a snaffle is obviously not working


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