Legal guestion. my horse could possibly be pregnat by other boarders horse.
the story goes...
We bought a horse from a place that boards. we contunued to board her their for two months. in the mean time the boarder brought in a gelding that acting like a stallion. the mares were in heat including mine. He was chasing the mare around like crazy. I was continuously encouraged that this horse was a Gelding. well we moved our mare. she was around the crazy horse for approx two weeks. Now i find out that 4 out of the six mares there are now pregnant from this crazy a$$ horse. well the story gets deeper. the boarder says he has a coggins from the owner of crazy horse that shows him to be a gelding. but when the vet came out to check crazy horse again they said that one of his testicles dropped. what the heck. now the boarder says he is not liable.
I want the boarder to send a vet out to check my horse. I am wiling to pay vet bill if my mare is not pregnant . but if she is i want him to pay the vet bills.
From the information you provided, I would say no, you don't have a leg to stand on - of course there could be more pieces to the puzzle.
But from what you are saying, it is entirely possible, perhaps probable, that the owner was unaware there was a testicle that hadn't dropped. Then in turn, the BO had the word of the owner and a coggins test as evidence he was a gelding, so he/she is certainly not responsible. The fact that he was chasing mares around obvisously should have raised enough of a question to check him out, but I doubt that in and of itself would be sufficient grounds for liability. That behavior is not so uncommon as to be extraordinary.
Once again, there may be more to the picture, but I don't see any liability with the information you provided...
That stinks! I agree you probably don't have grounds for legal recourse but the owner should on good faith want to take care of it. At least I know I would if I were in their shoes.
Like Bubba asked, how far along is she? I'd definitely lute her if it is an option. Posted via Mobile Device
First a coggins does not verify sex of the horse other than what the horse "appears" to be or what the owner claims it is..
A coggins will just verify that this horse is not infected or a carrier of EIA( commonly called Swamp fever). If the Vet that did the coggins did not know the horse and looked to see sex, he may not have seen a testicle and took the owners word that the horse is a gelding.
If the vet that did the coggins KNEW the horse then that vet may not know who gelded it, if it wasn't himself. Most rigs don't usually get the mares pregnamt but it is not beyond them to do so.
What is missing here is the AGE of this"gelding".
So what this boils down to is the job the vet did in the gelding and if the owner knew his horse is/was a rig.
How old is this "gelding" that turned out to be a stallion? I know that my yearling has not dropped his testicles fully yet, one day both or one is dropped, the next they're sucked up again, so he could be mistaken for a gelding depending on his mood ;-) The owner didnt know he had a stallion, but, he should do the right thing and help you with the vet bills...
Well if she is prego look on the bright side, you will be getting a little blessing even if it wasnt planned. if she is prego i hope you keep us updated with pics & info and such
I dont know the age of the horse. Just by looking at him i would say 4 or 5 years.
If my horse is prego, she is only about two months.
I talked to the BO the other day and they got nasty with me. I just asked then to send their vet out to check my horse and they refused. They said that the coggins said the horse was a gelding. Well what determines if the horse is a guilding besides the obvious. The vet should have proof. idk... She may not even be prego. I have to have her checked then i will know for sure. He is going to send my a copy of the crazy horses coggins report, but i guess that does me no good.
But I beleave they are responsible for this. The thing is I herd all this thru my 14 year old daughter' friend that boards there also. The Bo did not even have the Decency to call and tell me that I should have my mare checked.
Have the mare checked by your vet ASAP. I'd give her a shot of lute too, just to make sure. Even if she's not pregnant, she could have a uterine infection from being penetrated.
Foals aren't 'blessings' unless you're a responsible breeder who has planned and bred for one accordingly. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. :?
At this point it's a he said/she said type of situation, and it's not the BO's fault if someone unknowingly brought in a rig.
Instead of worrying about who will be responsible for your vet bill, you need to worry about the health of your mare. She should be your number one priority, not trying to place blame.
Have the mare checked by your vet ASAP. I'd give her a shot of lute too, just to make sure. Even if she's not pregnant, she could have a uterine infection from being penetrated.
Foals aren't 'blessings' unless you're a responsible breeder who has planned and bred for one accordingly. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise. :?
At this point it's a he said/she said type of situation, and it's not the BO's fault if someone unknowingly brought in a rig.
Instead of worrying about who will be responsible for your vet bill, you need to worry about the health of your mare. She should be your number one priority, not trying to place blame.
I agree a unplanned foal is in no way a blessing. It is an expensive and sometimes dangerous (for the mare) mistake.
I had a friend that went to look at a little pony 'gelding' and after questioning as to at what age the pony was gelded the response was "Never had to, he just never grew balls." People can be amazingly ignorant at times.
If I was the unfortunate owner of the 'gelding' in question I would feel obligated to pay for the preg. checks on the mares and for the aborting of the foals as the owners wishes. If the owners chose to keep any foals then the expenses would be on them.
That being said I do not think that anyone is legally obligated to pay for anything.
Personally I would be more upset the with the BO or BM, then the horse's owner. If a horse is chasing around others like crazy then that turnout situation is not working. The horses need to be split up. This should have happened on the first day that he was chasing them around. This is a red flag for poor horse management.
Personally I would be more upset the with the BO or BM, then the horse's owner. If a horse is chasing around others like crazy then that turnout situation is not working. The horses need to be split up. This should have happened on the first day that he was chasing them around. This is a red flag for poor horse management.
But I think at this juncture the OP just needs to get her mare checked out, and worry about assigning blame later.
I have a gelding who WILL mount and penetrate mares if allowed. He's a true gelding, just still has that instinct. He wasn't gelded until he was 5, so the instinct may have just been too ingrained at that point.
I didn't get him until he was 5 y/o, and he'd just recently been gelded. I don't think he ever sired any foals, but I do know he's always been a studdy gelding.
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