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DSJ46 06-28-2011 07:36 PM

Professionals demonstrating my "Opinion"--watch these vids
 
Now maybe you will believe the exact same thing from these seasoned professionals. Watch these vids, if you dare. I am not going to argue anymore. But watch these vids and learn. Go back to my posts, 112, 113, 116, 176 on "Horse Taking Over" and learn. Drop your ego and learn.




DSJ46 06-28-2011 08:04 PM

First vid: fearful, anxious horse showing aggression.
Second vid: horse seeking dominance "A horse does not act out of emotion."
Third vid: these problems are curable: misbehavior is a program, not a premeditation.


Sound familiar?

(You have to watch the vids all the way through and pay attention.)

Golden Horse 06-28-2011 08:47 PM

Seems to me to be back to front somehow, "Professionals demonstrating my opinion" Makes it sound like you trained them??

corinowalk 06-28-2011 08:53 PM

Well...or the fact that the girl in question on the other thread is far from a professional.

oneslicktrick 06-28-2011 08:58 PM

So...tieing a lasso around my horses butt and chasing him until he pisses himself in fear, will break him of his aggression and fear? Good to know.

Lonannuniel 06-28-2011 09:07 PM

this still doesn't prove the point that ALL horses can be 'fixed' ( for lack of a better word )

These professionals are ONLY going to put successful horses up for viewers to watch, it would be counter productive for business if they showed the world the horses who do not shine a positive light on their training methods.

apachewhitesox 06-28-2011 09:10 PM

I just want to point out didn't the last video say she had an 80% success rate or something.

DSJ46 06-28-2011 09:11 PM

Yes, running the horse around gets his feet moving. That helps remove anxiety. Relieving the bladder shows a release of anxiety and a giving over of the dominance instinct. (Listen to the man.)

If you look at the websites, you will see these are all professionals.

No, I didn't train them (?) but the principles used are based on all the principles I discussed.

80% percent is really impressive. If you look back at an old post, I did say that I thought some horses could get screwed up beyond repair (but they are still not mean or bad or malicious--they can't be.) 80% is great.

But ok, if you want to just deny horse behavior and real horse training, ok. I have better ways to spend my time than trying to help and teach people who won't even listen.

But if you don't understand these simple principles, you don't understand a horse. And that is awful for horses. And this "bad horse" thing will continue, and horses will suffer.

This is, in fact, my last word here. Ever. Please, if anyone can get anything from what I have said from the past five days, very good. It's all true.

For those of you who got mad and refuse to see, I don't know what to say. Try to think of your horses. Do some real research. Try to learn to think like a horse. Don't be too proud to take advise from people who haven't been riding as long as you have. Go read books on horse psychology, real books, not popular magazines.

For the sake of your horses, I sincerely implore you to this.

I wish your horses good luck.

Jake and Dai 06-28-2011 09:16 PM

I don't read anyone saying these techniques don't ever work, I just read that people are of the opinion they do not work 100% of the time. Which one of the professionals said herself. *shrug*

JustDressageIt 06-28-2011 09:20 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem like the horse in the first video gets spooked towards the woman by someone in the pen, off-frame? Then the trainer goes about trying to piss the horse off, scratching around his butt - why is he allowing the horse to show him his rear end when he's "so aggressive" anyways?
Guy brings him into the pen, wants the horse go go to the right, horse says "no" so the guy gets tangled up in his own line, and says "ok, go left." I cannot stand that he's allowing a dog (predator - heh) to be so underfoot and aggressive towards the horse. Get the dog out of the pen for crying out loud.
I see a confused horse that has NO clue what the man wants, and I don't blame him. I haven't a clue either. He says at 4:37 "I'm gonna approach him at the shoulder" and it takes him choking up on the lead until 5:00 to get to the shoulder. I seriously doubt he wanted the horse to keep moving away from him; the horse was confused. I don't see an aggressive horse - I see a confused horse.
Cannot stand that he's constantly getting tangled up in his ropes. I don't understand the NEED for a lariat around his butt except for trying to get a "dangerous" reaction. I understand it fine for desensitization - but not in this context. He wanted a "wow" reaction that he could then "fix" as the horse wound down and realized that the thing squeezing his butt wasnt going to kill him. At 8:09, his lariat is completely tangled with his leadrope.
No siree, not impressed by this "trainer" one bit.

For the record, as soon as you accept a penny for anything, you're legally a "professional." I've seen more crappy horse "professionals" than good ones; just because someone is a "professional" by the Webster definition does not a good trainer make.
Also, for the record, dogs pee in submission. Horses, as far as I know, do not - I've never in my life seen or heard of a horse doing a submissive piddle. They can piss themselves when they're frightened; passing manure and gas (in a relaxed way) is a sign of relaxation when one is working a horse.


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