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christabelle 07-09-2011 11:56 PM

Horse on horse aggression???
Well, I feel like I've gotten myself into a pickle. I purchased a stud (that I had gelded pretty quick), never bred OTTB several months ago... And have a question about an incident that has left me a bit shook up. I thought a few months would be a good amount of time for ex race stud's hormones to calm down (gelded in early march), and I decided to start integrating him into my herd today. I put him in a adjacent pasture from my
three geldings and one mare. I expected some possible
squealing and posturing over the fence at most, but my three
geldings lined up a foot from his face and I swear he tried to
climb over that fence in a rage I have never seen in a horse.
My other geldings seemed to be egging him on... My mare was
just running around all silly like, but I'm pretty sure that he (ex
race stud) would have gotten over that panel soon (or broke a leg) and there would have been a pretty massive horsefight. Once I gathered my wits (took a good minute of staring aghast at the situation) I
grabbed a lounge whip and drove my herd away from the fence, then collected ex race stud and put him back in solitary. I'd like to integrate him eventually, but I'd be scared to try that again. What did I do wrong? Not wait long enough? Introduce wrong? Anyone have some suggestions?
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DraftyAiresMum 07-10-2011 12:00 AM

In only takes about 45 days for the hormones to leave a horse's system completely, so I doubt that's the problem. Has he been around other horses (away from the track) before? My first reaction is that he had a bad experience with other horses before and is reacting due to that (horses have a surprisingly long memory).

tblver 07-10-2011 12:08 AM

My gelding is the same way with other horses--currently, we have 17 acres to turn out 11 horses on, plus 3 pasture boarders at the barn. With all of that space, what does he do? Beats the crap out of everyone except this little mare who can fit under him...she's the boss of him. He's had no bad experiences with horses, he just thinks he's the big man on the property and wants the mares for himself....when they are in heat he goes as far as to 'protect' them from the other geldings. I unfortunately have no idea when he was gelded, I purchased him almost 3 years ago and he has always been liked that. So he's turned out by himself, or if we have a cocky baby coming in for training, they get put out with him for a bit to learn some manners. He doesn't mind being out there by himself as long as there's grass. -shrug-

Instead of introducing them all at once, I would pick one, the bottom of the two geldings, and introduce them separately and let them figure out who's who then throw the other gelding, then the mare into the mix. It was probably a sensory overload moment for him... and he is obviously a 'fight' sort of horse.

christabelle 07-10-2011 12:09 AM

He was at a stable when I got him. He was in a stall next to other horses, and around all kinds of other horses... I did not see him even act "study". I did not expect it really, because he raced and trained next to other stallions when he was on the track I'm sure... His behavior today was flat scary.
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DraftyAiresMum 07-10-2011 12:16 AM

The only reason I brought up the memory/previous experience thing is because my old gelding was perfectly fine being out with other horses until he was about 6yo. When he was 6, one day he was turned out with a mare he'd been with for several years. The mare suddenly turned around and, completely unprovoked, kicked Dakota in the neck. She had rear shoes on and ended up severing his jugular vein. The owner stood there holding his neck closed with one hand while on the phone with the vet in her other hand. He still has a dent in his heck from where the mare got him. Now, he absolutely cannot be turned out with other horses because he will become aggressive and go after the other horses (he has an "I'm going to get you before you get me" attitude).

arashowjumper 07-10-2011 12:28 AM

your horse saund just like mine except mine does it with or without ridder, and to an especific horse. maybe he got overloaded with horses have you tryed to introduce them one by one? mine has this proib with just one and we are really improving with bouth.
and well mine is still a stallion i started tieing them close but not in reachable distance, then i started leaviong them on the pastures separatedly of course one by one
i hope this works with your boy it really did with mine

christabelle 07-10-2011 12:30 AM

Yeah, maybe something happened. Thanks for the advice. I might try and introduce one at a time. Sensory overload sounds logical. I just don't want any of them to get hurt. My other horses are quite a bit smaller than the OTTB.
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jody111 07-10-2011 05:37 AM

He just needs time...

Does he respect tape.... put him in a paddock with one of the lower of the herd with a decent gap between two electric tapes Like 6 meters so they cant touch... gradually bring closer until they are over a single tape... and then when theres no tension remove.... then pop another horse on the other side and repeat.... then put one hes already met on the other side and repeat while he has a buddy... so you will have three... then swap[ the buddies around and slowly get the last horse in the same way..... You can do them all one at a time or slowly intorduce them while he keeps a friend....

If they get a little hot then keep the fence wider till its no big deal and then move.... and just take your time...

we introduce my last horse into a herd of 4 (With 2 very dominant geldings and 1 dominant mare) and they are great.... took us just over a month but was worth it - we had no injuries at all

this is my girls meeting face to face for the first time - you can see the fence setup it started off twice as wide....

I should add my young one had never met a gelding before and we had two very agressive boys...

anndankev 07-10-2011 04:25 PM

Love that little video, mares - love em, it went very well. Did you post that it the show me your ears thread?

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