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WickedNag 07-10-2011 08:29 PM

Toed in
Would you buy a horse that is slightly toed in? We have to retire our 22 year old horse due to ringbone. Will end up putting him down if he doesn't start at least walking without pain in the pasture... anyway my neighbors have a horse that I have eyeballed since moving out here and I contacted them about selling him. Today the owner called me back and told me to come have a look. Horse is slightly toed in... we would only use for trails, maybe a fun day or two.

Haven't given me a price yet. Owner has owned him since birth...

tinyliny 07-10-2011 09:18 PM

I was told better to be slightly toed in than toed out, but I dont' know if that is true. Anyone?

Celeste 07-10-2011 09:23 PM

Being slightly toed in probably won't cause a problem if the horse is not lame now. Any conformational problem could cause lameness in old age so you might want to think about what the horse costs and her age.

smrobs 07-10-2011 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by WickedNag (Post 1092083)
Would you buy a horse that is slightly toed in?

I did, best $125 I ever spent and my guy is severely pigeon toed. I've been riding him hard for over 6 years and he's never taken a lame step in his life. And by hard, I mean heavy duty ranch work, roping, dragging, running full out over rough-ass terrain, sharp turns, and sudden stops, sometimes with 1000+ pounds of added weight attached to the saddle horn. He is also the most sure-footed horse I've ever ridden.

When a horse has a fault like that, the best thing that you can do to ensure their long-term soundness is to be meticulous about good hoof care. If you can keep their feet balanced, then that minimizes the stress on their legs and will help them stay sound longer.

Cherie 07-10-2011 10:48 PM

Can you post a photo of the horse taken from the front?

How serious being toed in depends on if the knees are 'normal' or not.

Many toed in horses also have 'bench knees' or 'off-set cannons'. When viewed from the front, the forearm should attach into the center of the knee. Then, the knee should be straight (not tilted toward the inside) and the cannon bone should be absolutely straight underneath the center of the knee. If you drop a plum-bob from the center of the forearm, it should go directly through the center of the knee and the cannon bone, the ankle and, ideally, the hoof.

If only the hoof is toed in and the knees and cannon bone are where they should be (not off-set at all), the slight toe-in will not be a problem.

If the knees are not centered and the cannon bone comes out from the lateral aspect (outside) of the knee, the horse will not last very long without popping medial (inside) splints and arthritic knees or knee chips will soon follow. The long-term soundness of horses with off-set cannons and pigeon toes is not very great. They last a lot longer for light pleasure and trail riding than they do for a hard occupation like jumping or barrel racing or ????

The reason horses with off-set knees also have pigeon toes is that mother nature attempts to put the hoof under the knee to carry the horse. That puts the full weight of the horse on the inside part of the cannon bone and explains why they get medial splints.

Hope this helps.

WickedNag 07-11-2011 07:14 AM

I will see about getting pictures. MJ is only about a mile from me so should not be a problem. I do have a great farrier and my horses are trimmed at least every 8 weeks.

WickedNag 07-13-2011 07:18 AM

Pictures of toed in or heels out :) and just a few others I snapped quick. Please pardon the dirt on poor MJ, we received tons of rain yesterday morning and it appears he rolled :) Of course, since he is not my horse, I didn't have any brushes along to clean him up. The owner was in the field but told me on Monday to come anytime for pictures.
Thanks in advance for your input.

smrobs 07-13-2011 01:31 PM

It doesn't look that bad to me. If you really like him and you guys get along, I would go ahead and give him a shot.

raywonk 07-13-2011 01:37 PM

A good shower can take care of that. I had a great mare that was severely pigeon toe and she went on to jump and still dose.

Royal Pine Buck 07-13-2011 01:43 PM

not to turn this into a trimming/shoeing thread....but that horses heels look VERY high...and the toes kinda long. if your farrier trimmed those heels WAY down. he might look even better.

i'm not saying try to correct the toed in, i'm just saying get the hoof balanced and it might make it better.

can you by chance get some hoof shots?

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