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alexischristina 07-15-2011 12:42 AM

Welsh Hunter Prospect
This pony is a 13hh (or so they say, so many people are mistaken- he doesn't look 13hh to me, but that could just be a six+ foot fence) Welsh that I'm looking at 'flipping'. They're asking $700 for him, but I'd like a bit of an opinion on him first. He's 8 years old, was competed on until 2 years ago by a young girl but since then hasn't had a rider that was interested in working him. He'll need some time back under saddle, but I'm hoping I (and my sister) can get him back in safe, working order.
I'm not incredibly well educated on the Welsh breed- I know they tend to be 'tougher' than lighter pony breeds, this one looks like his back may be a little long, but he looks 'correct' enough I think. Sadly this is the best picture for critique, but I think it gives an ok-view.

Now I know in a lot of places you can get a working-under-saddle horse for the same money, but we have to remember that where I'm located horses are NOT cheap and the market is still great.

Thyme 07-15-2011 12:45 AM

I love welsh ponies, i use to jump a few of them. They can be tougher but they know how to do their job. Also he seems a good size (can tell hands) but Welsh ponies are strong. I would get him :D

alexischristina 07-15-2011 01:02 AM

I was looking at Welsh 'Sections' and oh lordy it was hard to wrap my head around, but I don't even know if they use sections in Canada, and I don't think he's registered so...
I'm not a heavy person but I have a lot of muscle, so I am definitely heavier than I look- but I'm short and have been told I have a very light seat, and I've hacked over small courses on my sisters 13hh POA so I'm not too worried, he looks like a sturdy little guy though.

The plan would be to get him working and riding the hunters, or into a pony club / ppg mount (it's HUGE here).
I definitely like him andam hopping to get an email back soon from his current owners if somebody hasn't snuck in and scooped him up.

Any other opinions?

nicole25 07-15-2011 11:24 AM

I love Welsh ponies. BUT they do have a mind of their own and tend to just do whatever they want

blue eyed pony 07-16-2011 05:14 AM

I had a 12.1hh welshie. He was AMAZING. Did wonders for my confidence even though when we got him he would buck EVERY time you cantered him, worse if you tried to make him canter on the left lead. Oh and he would NOT jump. But I taught him to jump, and enjoy it, and I taught him to get canter leads right without turning into a bronc. He hated flatwork which made ME hate flatwork because he would put in every evasion in the book to get out of it (except bolting or rearing, that was just too much effort), but he is/was an incredibly honest and scopey jumper. He did have a tendency to take off too close and cat-leap but I think that was probably my riding more than anything else. The one you're looking at reminds me so much of my little Edward, just in the face, not even looking at colour or markings (Edward is grey but that's not relevant).

I WANT. (though 13hh is too small for me...)

maura 07-16-2011 02:22 PM

I might keep looking. I adore Welsh ponies, and they tend to dominate the pony hunters in my area and make great sport ponies, but this little guy doesn't look like a very promising prospect.

Please bear in mind that I basing this on one casual and unflattering photo, but what I see is an upright shoulder and a very short stride, not moving out from his shoulder at all and not even close to tracking up. He's also built quite downhill, and has a neck and shoulder connection that's going to make it very hard for him to travel in a good hunter frame or a correct dressage frame. So, for your $700. investment, and your time, you're going to end up with a backyard or pleasure pony worth $1500., maybe, as the market for medium ponies is *very* limited, green medium ponies even more so.

If I were looking for a prospect to flip; first, I'd look for something with better movement or conformation that could finish up as a show or performance prospect. I also be predisposed towards a large pony, as the market is much larger.

blue eyed pony 07-17-2011 03:52 AM

but they have so much heart, Maura, and heart can overcome minor conformation flaws. Movement can be improved, to a degree. They are cheeky little things which makes them SO much fun to work with - I'd have another welshie in a heartbeat if I had the money for a welshie that was 14.2hh+, ie a cob.

Yes, OP, if you keep looking you'll probably find a nicer pony. At the same time, I think that this is one cute pony, and welshies have a lot of heart if you pick the discipline that they enjoy. Mine loved jumping and he was pretty darn brilliant at it. Did he have conformation issues? For sure he did! But he made up for it with more heart than all my horse-sized equines combined.

maura 07-17-2011 08:21 AM

Blue eye,

I don't disagree, and I've had some wonderful horses that overcame serious confo flaws. However, the OP said she wanted to flip this pony, not keep it. If that's her intent, I think she needs to take a hard look at dollars in vs. dollars out.

blue eyed pony 07-17-2011 08:35 AM

That is true. In which case, the market for large ponies and upwards is MUCH larger than the market for small to medium. Sadly, 13hh falls into medium, at least here - small pony hack classes are up to and including 12.2hh,medium pony is 12.2hh up to and including 13.2hh and large pony is 13.2hh up to and including 14hh, then it goes galloway hack (14hh up to and including 15hh) and then small hack, large hack, and I can't remember the exact heights for those. My adult horse is easily inside the small hack height bracket.

The height divisions are the same in the hunter classes - we don't have hunter over a course of fences here. We do have 'working hunter' which is over 2-3 SMALL jumps but it's nothing like the hunter over fences that the US has.

Upon closer inspection, that shoulder looks REALLY upright. His form over fences would suffer and his movement would certainly suffer. In something like a hunter class that's not a good thing. He might do well in show jumping (Americans call it stadium jumping, same thing, different name) but probably not hunter.

Send him to me, I'd be happy to flip him!

maura 07-17-2011 08:38 AM

No, Americans call show jumping show jumping too, the third phase of a combined training event is called stadium jumping.

And yes, the upright shoulder is going to seriously limit jumping ability as well as movement and would be a deal breaker for me.

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