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Lena's Foaling Thread

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#1 ·
Well, five months into the pregnancy, I have decided from now on every month on the 14th (The date we are using as a guesstimation of when she was bred.) I will do an update.

I know five months is pretty early to start anything, but it will keep me busy for the next 6 months.

I don't expect a dozen replies until closer to the tenth month. Though at least this way everyone will know when we are closing in.

Just to catch a few people up on this long journey of mine---

I bought a rescue horse back in April, the people said she was probably about five months pregnant. She had been running with a stallion for a long time, had two foals nursing off of her, one wasn't hers the other was. Even after being taken from her abusive owner, the bank put the horses on some other person that kept the stallion with her.(And the other ten mares and yearlings.) When I bought her, I had the vet come out to do an ultrasound and she came up open at the time. Five months went past and things didn't seem right with her stomach, she had put on all the weight she needed and extra. The vet came out for a check-up, on her own said, "Either I missed a pregnancy or she is having a false pregnancy." She then did a palpation and said the uterus falls under the pelvic brim and repeated the words. Having a 50/50 answer, I bought a weefoal test for 120-300 days. It came out with a very strong positive, so here we go.

She is due to foal around December through March. Vet had said she was anywhere from 16-30 days pregnant at the first ultrasound and was why she couldn't see it. With the last palpation the vet put her anywhere from 5-8 months pregnant... Um, I have an amazing vet? (Doesn't specialize in Equine.) Anywho, so logic says 4-5 months pregnant.

So, today at "five" months pregnant.---

  • Continually picked on by the other mare, even though she is way bigger.
  • Just... fat and slow. Always has been.
  • About to move her and the other mare to a second pasture in hopes to grow some new grass.
  • Going to start renovating the lean-to into a makeshift weather-proof stall.
  • Vet should be coming out in September for a Rhino vaccination. (Said better late then early.)
Also, as we get closer to being due I would love for some people to make some guessing on the date, color, and sex of the foal.

A little info on both the parents.

Dam-
Registered name: Sickum Doc Olena
Color: Chestnut Tobiano
Birth: April of 1998

Sire-
Registered name: Pee Ridge Loudcloud
Color: Black and White Overo
Birth: 1998

This foal has a good chance of making it into the world. Not that I plan on selling him/her, but at least if I have to it will be registered and has some good lines going for it.

Also, name suggestions would be awesome. I'm obsessing a tiny bit, I have a word document started for keeping track of her pregnancy and putting down some name possibilities. I would love if I could find a name that merges both sire and dam together.

So, I suppose the next update will be in a month. :D
 
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#331 · (Edited)
These are just some pictures I took.

Croup-
1-7-12
Muscle Liver Horse Sorrel Back


Can anyone else see the two dip like things on her croup? That is where I seen the foal movement last night. This morning I did as well, but it was more subtle and it was closer to the tailhead.

Stomach-
1-2-12
Brown Horse Landscape Terrestrial animal Ecoregion


1-8-12
Brown Horse Landscape Working animal Terrestrial animal


Also, here is the video I was trying to show... wasn't working on my iPad for some reason.

 
#332 ·
For those who click "last page". On page 33 there is different pictures of her udders and vulva, comparing what the did look like... It seems like we are changing quickly now. All of a sudden her udder is booming up to be foal ready, no milk yet, still clearish/yellow was a bland taste this morning.

Really was hoping she'd go last night, but she is gonna wait until this week when it gets all crappy.
 
#339 ·
I guess it didn't post a little but ago. She is in a stall at night, mostly because we have a lot of dogs running around. Also,.... her udders are huge now. It won't be long now... ill get a pictures later tonight. Though its massive, hard, and warm; not shiney yet.
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#344 ·
Anyone know if the color of a mares urine has anything to do with foaling? I noticed Lena has been peeing a lot more, probably due to the pressure. Though today, it was very thick and was bright yellow. It was like she hardly had time to get into position before it spilled out. Any ideas on the sudden change in color?
 
#353 ·
We had a black filly born in the middle of a severe thunderstorm many years ago. Named her Stormy and she had more attitude than any other horse I have ever met (complete opposite of her full brother that was the most complacent and lazy foal ever LOL). When her mother was shown at 4-H that summer, we had a post a sign on their stall saying "beware of baby" because she kept cranking and trying to attack curious onlookers LOL

So long as both baby AND mom are happy and healthy, all is good. :)
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#355 ·
I did a foal color calculator after looking at both sire and dam's pedigrees on allbreed. I believe that it is a strong chance that Lena may be homozygous agouti (agouti controls black pigmentation and has no effect on the sorrel/chestnuts that carry it), if she is not homozyous agouti, but instead heterozygous, then she could have a chance at a black baby (black is dominant). The sire cannot carry agouti at all, otherwise he would have been a bay instead of a black. If the solid bay foal was her's, Lena carries at least one agouti gene. Although from looking at her pedigree, there are several bays on the top and bottom of her pedigree that are close up, increasing her chance of being homozygous agouti. Black is dominant, so that bay filly got the black gene from the sire and Lena threw in an agouti gene with her red gene color resulting in the foal being a bay ( sire is Ee (heterozygous black) with no agouti and dam is ee (homozygous red) and is an agouti carrier). Both sire and dam are heterozygous for a pinto pattern. The sire had a solid thoroughbred dam and Lena had a solid quarter horse dam.

Offspring Color Probability



12.50% - Chestnut Tovero

12.50% - Chestnut Tobiano

12.50% - Chestnut Overo

12.50% - Chestnut

12.50% - Bay Tovero

12.50% - Bay Tobiano

12.50% - Bay Overo

12.50% - Bay

If Lena only carries one agouti gene however, she could have a black if it doesn't receive an agouti gene and the sire had thrown his black gene.

Thought I would share since I made some fun discoveries about equine genetics only last week -learned about black being dominant and all about how agouti effects black pigmentation :)
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#357 · (Edited)
That is awesome. Though I think Jokers pedigree is wrong on there. With my information both his parents were painted. I've always loved black horses though, always admired their color. So if there is a chance of lean throwing a black id be in heaven.

What is everyones guesses?
I say chestnut overo filly, born January 12th.
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#356 ·
Thats really neat! Color genetics is SOOO interesting! I have a few color/genetic questions, Im gunna make a new thread sometime!

Ladybug I cant believe how fast Lena is progressing.... a few days ago it seemed like nobody was expecting her to foal for at least another month and now its like BAM any day now! ****
 
#358 ·
Joker is an overo, if he were carrying two overo genes, he would be a lethal white. Thoroughbreds are very common in paint horses, and overo breeders breed to solids many of the times to avoid the 25% chance of a double overo foal (lethal white). Most of the time overos carry an overo gene and a solid gene. Which is why overos are never homozygous overo. On the other hand, tobiano can be homozygous, which would make every foal produced a tobiano. Both Joker and Lena would have thrown a solid gene to produce a solid bay.
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#360 ·
Either way, he is heterozygous overo with a solid gene. And Lena is heterozygous tobiano with a solid gene. Gives you a 25% chance of an overo, a 25% chance of a tovero, a 25% chance of a tobiano, and a 25% chance of a solid. So a 75% chance of paint and a 25% chance of a solid. Although there are other factors at work as well, both thoroughbreds and quarter horses are capable of producing "crop outs", paint foals born from a long line of solids :)

Hope Lena has a healthy little baby soon, and the guessing game can be over ;)
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