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ioconner 08-21-2011 12:04 AM

Craig Cameron ?
 
Okay...So I am addicted to RFD-TV and that's how I started learning about NH and some of the methods used. Some I like, some I don't understand, and some I love.

For instance, Craig Cameron. I like him, and I think some of his methods really make a lot of sense to me. I have his Western Horseman colt starting book and it has a lot of good information. But I hate to watch him on TV! I can't stand the way he talks with his hands, his voice, and him saying "Hey...." all the time. It just drives me nuts for whatever reason.

Am I the only one that feels this way about his TV show??

mbender 08-21-2011 08:12 AM

There's quirks about him and some other clinicians. But as long as you get good information from them its just a irritating thing to have to put up with.
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alee 08-21-2011 08:48 AM

I really do like Craig, but he makes me nuts too. I still watch, but only if I have recorded it and can skip through some of it. It takes him FOREVER to get to the point. Sometimes, he doesn't even really teach what he says he is going to at the beginning of the show. However, I do like his methods and try to learn what I can from him. We have a few things that we disagree on, but I would give anything to try one of his extreme challenge courses.

ioconner 08-21-2011 12:02 PM

I would love to try one of his extreme cowboy races!!

Yeah I do like him, just not his voice and his way of talking. It irks me!

kevinshorses 08-21-2011 07:52 PM

I think more horses are ruined by RFD-TV than by Tom Thumb bits, tie-downs and chain mouth pieces. Step away from the T.V.! If you like one of the clinicians on there, save the money and take your horse and ride in a clinic with them.

ioconner 08-22-2011 11:13 AM

I am wondering why you say this kevin??
I have learned a lot of things from watching several of the shows from RFD. It is not meant to replace a trainers good solid advice or some other knowledgeable horse person, but I like to watch and learn. Kind of supplement what I already know or am learning.

Corporal 08-22-2011 01:41 PM

His voice is a little irritating, but I've saved some of his programs because he does know how to train. I especially like the program on long-lining, where he demonstrated same, and did so as one in a series of training a mustang.
I have to disagree about the TV trainers. They all are saying the same thing: SPEND TIME WITH YOUR HORSE!!!!
In my experience the current condition of horses sold is that too many of them are undertrained. When I first bought horses in the 1980's, people weren't distracted by video games and the Internet, which suck your time away, and they were more inclined to go out and "play with their ponies." The horses had better foundations.
I enjoyed watching Chris Cox took his 3 year old QH gelding, who had been through a futurity, to a cross-country course in Texas, where he taught him how to jump solid obstaces, and to perform rudimentary dressage, both handily.
There was a recent newspaper article about a man whose father gave him one of the foals--this was in the 1920's, you see--and he spent so much time hanging with it and training it, really gentling, that he could perform numerous tricks, like standing in the saddle, his mare ground tied, and cracking a whip. (A photo of this accompanied the story.) He used to travel and show her off, having her lay down on command, having her count someone's age, etc.
How about Ryan Gingrich? In his Habitat(for Horses) series he demonstrated basic cue-for-forward-movement training with novice horses, and if you taught this at ANY level to your horse, the horse would understand the cue for a correct lead.
I enjoy watching Julie Goodknight's programs, and I remember reading her articles in "Practical Horseman", during the 1980's and '90's. She demonstrates great patience and I particularly appreciate that she can get great results without being a big muscleman. (Watch her program on catching your horse, sometime.)
It doesn't matter if you read a book, watch programs, or take a class, anybody can do well, and anybody can get hurt making mistakes. I say watch, enjoy them and try out some of their suggestions. My DH got his horse to load in the trailer better by making him "Move His Feet."
The criticism brings to mind the line in "The Muppet Movie,":
"Where did you learn to drive--did you take a 'correspondence course?' "
As somebody who has taken over 230 hours of college coursework, 'Yes, I HAVE learned from a correspondence course!"

kitten_Val 08-24-2011 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ioconner (Post 1145511)
I am wondering why you say this kevin??

Lots of people think watching DVDs or TV will make them "trainers". Unfortunately. I have no problem with using those as a help (I have DVDs and books myself), but they are NOT substitution for the real live help. Especially when the person is a beginner.

kevinshorses 08-24-2011 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ioconner (Post 1145511)
I am wondering why you say this kevin??
I have learned a lot of things from watching several of the shows from RFD. It is not meant to replace a trainers good solid advice or some other knowledgeable horse person, but I like to watch and learn. Kind of supplement what I already know or am learning.

The reason I say this is that too many people watch the programs with inexperienced eyes and they miss what is really happening so they are unable to make it work with thier horse. Or they start to feel overconfident and think they really know thier stuff and get into trouble. There are many things taught by the clinicians on RFD that can raise serious issues with your horse if done incorrectly.

Some "clinicians" on RFD are just plain unqualified to lead a 4-H club let alone appear on nation-wide television.

ioconner 08-25-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kitten_Val (Post 1147925)
Lots of people think watching DVDs or TV will make them "trainers". Unfortunately. I have no problem with using those as a help (I have DVDs and books myself), but they are NOT substitution for the real live help. Especially when the person is a beginner.

I do agree with this, but that is why I said it is not meant to replace a trainers or other knowledgeable horse persons training or advice...kind of just supplement what you already know or learning. :-)


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