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jmjackson712 08-26-2011 10:44 PM

What's the Problem?
 
Ok... so this has been bothering me for a while now. Not just in this forum, but seems like everywhere. What is wrong with people these days? Does spelling and/or grammar not matter anymore? I was taught that both mattered and that it said alot about a person. Do we just not care anymore? Or do people just not know their grammar or spelling these days? I mean, I'm from NC, so even I wasn't raised to be very proper, and even my wife can tell you I'm not perfect with my grammar, but people's lack of attention to their spelling/grammar mistakes is troubling. Am I the only one that notices this? And it seems the younger generations are coming into a world where short hand texting lingo is acceptable in all "forums" of life and are more than ok with using this lingo, even when they're not texting. Why? Sorry for the small rant, but had to get it out.

Poco1220 08-26-2011 10:57 PM

I do try to keep my grammar and spelling correct when on the computer BUT I update from my iPhone often. Using my phone makes it difficult and lengthy to get everything out correctly so I usually just do what I need to in order to get my opinion/thought out.

tinyliny 08-26-2011 11:04 PM

OH, I am so with you on this one. I make mistakes on my posts, but it's usually 'cause I am a poor typist and lazy to boot, so I don't correct every error. The grammar and spelling mistakes that live and breed on this forum are legion!

AlexS 08-26-2011 11:07 PM

It's an absolutely nightmare, I realize that the market sucks but it is no wonder that so many people are struggling to find jobs at the moment.

I am a foster parent and have all of my former kids and some of their girlfriends on my facebook - this is the type of stuff that I have to try to make some sense of (from the girlfriends, not the former kids). Here is a real example:

smh its funny how ppl starnd mee up last nite da was crazy tho but wen i wanna to do something its a jk to them smh imm doen wit ppl imm cut ppl off imm been for really this time i dnt care how ppl take it o well i dnt care no more smh :(

It actually feels painful to try to read and reread it three times to make some sense of it.

tinyliny 08-27-2011 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexS (Post 1151766)
It's an absolutely nightmare, I realize that the market sucks but it is no wonder that so many people are struggling to find jobs at the moment.

I am a foster parent and have all of my former kids and some of their girlfriends on my facebook - this is the type of stuff that I have to try to make some sense of (from the girlfriends, not the former kids). Here is a real example:

smh its funny how ppl starnd mee up last nite da was crazy tho but wen i wanna to do something its a jk to them smh imm doen wit ppl imm cut ppl off imm been for really this time i dnt care how ppl take it o well i dnt care no more smh :(

It actually feels painful to try to read and reread it three times to make some sense of it.


OMG! could you please translate that? I haven't a clue as to what they are saying.

AlexS 08-27-2011 02:24 AM

I can only try Tiny - this is the best I can come up with as to a meaning:

Shake my head, it's funny how people stand me up. Last night that was crazy though, but when I want to do something it's a joke to them. Shake my head. I'm done with people, I'm cutting people off, I am being for real this time. I don't care how people take it. Oh well, I don't care no more, shake my head.



Oddly I find the lack of punctuation harder to deal with that the words. I wouldn't even call that text speak other than the SMH for shake my head.



For laughs Tiny, this is another post from the same person - you have a go at translating it. The words in ( ) and not in bold is my censoring.

Smh I like how ppl like to tlk made (4 letter curse begins with s) on mee tho for real there cant sau it to ma face tho imm doen wot it.imm to old to b playin game.lil ass game wit this so imm gonna to cut everbody off

Saskia 08-27-2011 03:08 AM

While a certain amount of it is "laziness", you should probably consider that language does change overtime. You might not understand it, and the values that you learned don't support it, but that doesn't mean that it is wrong. You might not like, I don't like it, so we don't use it, but in its own way its a dialect that isn't so much regional, but age dependent.

The majority of these people know how to write correctly, they just don't, and they don't see the need to justify themselves. They understand each other perfectly, so it is fulfilling the requirements of a language - communication. If someone communicates with you in this manner you can ask them not to, but I don't think many people would. Lots of sub-cultures have their own languages, even the horse one (in a much lesser extent). If we were to talk to people about lunging, impulsion, seat aids etc they wouldn't have a clue what we were talking about, and each group of horse people (stables etc) are probably going have developed their own terminology too that other horse people wouldn't totally understand. Subcultures across time would have had their own way of communicating. This is the way that some of the youth choose to communicate today, and while many (usually older) people don't like it, that doesn't really matter as they are not included in this group.

Its a bit weird how things change. As a kid I was always taught not to put my elbows on the table when eating. I moved in with a close friend and they always did it which I thought was a bit uncouth, so I mentioned it. They said they weren't going to act based on these pretty much obsolete traditions and continued to do so. I thought that was strange, I thought surely they would want to have correct manners etc, and surely they would know that people would judge them badly because of this. It took me a while to realise that even though I wouldn't eat with my elbows on the table, that it was their choice not to follow it, that lack of manners didn't always show an uneducated, careless person, but just someone who didn't feel the need to follow these traditions.

So I don't know, I don't use text speak, and it irritates me when people try and speak to me that way without checking if I speak that way to, but I just accept that it is their form of language, I mean I wouldn't have a problem with someone speaking German or French, and I inform them (if it is illegible or I will be communicating with them for a long time) that I have not a clue what they are talking about, as to me the letter "u" is just a letter and not a pronoun.

sierrams1123 08-27-2011 04:28 AM

depending on my mood is if I check the spelling and really check if what I just typed really fast makes any sense to others because my mind knew what I meant :)
but mostly I think people call others out on these little things as a cheap shot.
I can not spell for the life of me, but I am very good with numbers and I like to think of myself as a very well educated person. I tend to think spelling does not really help judge someone's education, although the way someone talks (more in person then online) and how they word their sentences is how I base my opinion.

P.S. THIS IS A HORSE FORUM NOT LANGUAGE ARTS CLASS -> LAST TIME I CHECKED ANYWAYS :)

manca 08-27-2011 08:12 AM

English is not my mother tounge, so it's so much easier to understand it if things are written correctly. Wrong grammar doesn't make so much problems, it's spelling that leaves me wondering. There are many words (especially conected with horses) I don't know and if they're spelled wrong I can't find them in a dictionary. Text speak is also nearly impossible to understand for me.

But I think it's not that bad on this forum, I can easily understand what most are saying.

EmilyandNikki 08-27-2011 12:09 PM

My spelling has always been bad(I use firefox or chrome to correct my spelling), and I have an accent, which sometimes comes out as bad grammar, but really it is just me thinking how I speak, since my accent is not very grammatically correct. There was this one thing I posted on another form and I should have put "are" I think it was but I put "is", since that is how I would speak it. I re-read it later and was like oops.

And AlexS, that girlfriend or whatever she is, is making my head hurt, and I am only 17.


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