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GoldSahara 09-01-2011 12:33 PM

Thoughts on CA's patience pole?
 
I have only been watching CA on RFDTV and saw in his recent episode a bit about his patience pole. While I don't care about the marketing of his pole, I was curious to hear your thoughts on the idea of tieing a horse after a training session. It seems like a pretty good idea to not simply release the horse back into the pasture directly after the training, but it isn't always possible when you have time contraints. I usually work with my horse in the evening and she isn't at my house. So I would have to tie her and then wait there with her for the 1-2 hours he suggests. Not exactly possible, but I hate to encourage her barn sourness, which is a BIG issue with her.

Any thoughts?

Sunny 09-01-2011 12:40 PM

Subbing because I'm interested in this as well!
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Poco1220 09-01-2011 12:43 PM

I'm sure there are good reasonings for it but I personally wouldn't use it. I like to end my sessions on a good note and praise which is also communicated through saying "you did well, now go back out and relax". I don't understand the concept of "you did great, now stand here in time out for two hours".
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MHFoundation Quarters 09-01-2011 12:47 PM

Haven't seen his "patience pole" but I do tie mine for a bit after a session to let things soak in. I don't leave them for hours though, maybe 20 minutes with just the cinch a bit loosened and then I untack & groom.

christabelle 09-01-2011 12:48 PM

It is good for training, but hardly a new idea. I have more than one horse to ride, so I take them all out and tie them. They all wait until I've worked with them all. I know that it must have helped some. We had to evacuate for a fire, and the horses spent five days tied to a trailer (I walked them periodically). Mine were one of the few that weren't causing problems. I think standing tied is a very importaint lesson... Nomatter how you go about teaching it. I am not sure how it would cure a barnsour horse though.
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farmpony84 09-01-2011 01:14 PM

I call it a "Thinking Post" and I don't usually do it after sessions because I let him graze as a reward. However, I use the thinking post often and if I do have a particularly bad attitude day I will use it. I think it humbles them.

bubba13 09-01-2011 01:28 PM

Horsepeople always say that the short-term memory (or attention span, whatever you want to call it) is in the ballpark of three seconds, probably less. That's why corrections and rewards must be given instantaneously for the horse to make the connection between cause and effect. We laugh at and then scold the person who gets bucked off, chases her horse around for 10 minutes, then gives him a whoopin' to teach him not to buck again.

Yet now, if we tie horses up for a couple hours after riding, they'll mull the training session over in their heads, reflect on what went right and what went wrong, and plan on how to do better next time? :shock:

Northern 09-01-2011 01:36 PM

I'm with Poco & bubba: the reward for doing well isn't to be tied to a pole, they don't connect being tied to anything in the past, so don't get humbled by it, & don't mull over the past session like a human child in the corner reflects (hopefully) upon his misdeeds.

I'd say that this practice is counter-productive: the horse works for the human, in order, very often, to get to the rewards that are meaningful to him: food/grazing, relaxation, freedom of movement, companionship with other horses, etc.

One could do an experiment to see how his horse responds to the pole: is his willingness/try & desire to be with you affected positively, adversely, or negligibly?

MHFoundation Quarters 09-01-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bubba13 (Post 1158801)
Horsepeople always say that the short-term memory (or attention span, whatever you want to call it) is in the ballpark of three seconds, probably less. That's why corrections and rewards must be given instantaneously for the horse to make the connection between cause and effect. We laugh at and then scold the person who gets bucked off, chases her horse around for 10 minutes, then gives him a whoopin' to teach him not to buck again.

Yet now, if we tie horses up for a couple hours after riding, they'll mull the training session over in their heads, reflect on what went right and what went wrong, and plan on how to do better next time? :shock:


I don't necessarily think that they actually reflect on things but they do get a chance to relax and aren't just tossed back out to pasture or put in a stall directly after. As to the earlier question, I think that is where the barn sour part comes into play with leaving one tied. Whether they do or don't mull things over, it is a good exercise in patience.

farmpony84 09-01-2011 01:43 PM

I'm not calling it a reward for the training session. It's my "I love you so super much and we had a great ride and now I'm going to clean stalls while you eat the good grass because you are so super cute and I love the smell of roses" reward after I ride. It's what I do.

HOWEVER - I will pull him out of the field for no reason other then to tie him to that post on occassion....


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