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PaintLover17 10-01-2011 04:06 PM

Tobiano or Tovero?
 
Last year when I bought Amber I was introduced to the paint horse world, along with the terms tobiano, tovero, and overo. When I bought Amber I was told that she is a tovero, but her papers say tobiano. So now I'm confused! :lol: What does everyone think? It's hard to see in the photos, but she has two blue eyes. Not sure if that's important.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...Amber016-1.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/299a25c4.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/63719089.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/Amber016.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/Amber006.jpg

haviris 10-01-2011 07:46 PM

Tovero!

bubba13 10-01-2011 07:47 PM

Yes, tovero, and I'd bet good money she's got splash.

Chiilaa 10-01-2011 07:53 PM

She would be considered a tovero. But it is an outdated term that should not ever be used. She is a tobiano with probably splash and frame.

PaintLover17 10-01-2011 08:59 PM

I didn't know tovero was outdated. So I guess tovero and tobiano were both kinda correct! Thanks! What are splash and frame?
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EthanQ 10-01-2011 09:18 PM

Yes I agree I see some splash in there too

Chiilaa 10-01-2011 09:23 PM

The reason that 'tovero' is outdated is because it means "tobiano and any other white pattern". One of those other white patterns is Frame, which can be lethal to a foal if a horse with frame is bred to another with frame. So by calling them 'tovero', people can forget that there is a chance that they are carrying a lethal gene, and we end up with a dead foal that could have been avoided.

As for what frame and splash are, they are two different white patterns. Frame causes white to move along the horses body horizontally, usually starting from the barrel. It generally leaves a frame of colour around the white, along the back etc, hence the name. This horse is a good example of frame and it's effects. However, frame is not thought to cause leg white, so this horse has some other white pattern too, I think splash and possible sabino.

http://www.burkestud.com.au/Stallion...20PROFILE_.JPG


Splash is another white pattern. It looks like the horse has run through paint, and it has splashed up on the horse. The markings tend to come from the bottom of the horse and move upwards, and have very clean edges. Face white tends to slip to one side, and cover the eyes. Leg white is often higher in the front than in the back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_and_Foal.jpg

Splash and frame are both thought to cause blue eyes, while tobiano and sabino are not thought to.

twogeldings 10-01-2011 09:53 PM

I'd say Tobiano with Splash and Sabino. Sabino causes that 'mapping' around the markings, while Splash throws that 'WHOO HOO!' white :)

Sabino, Splash, and Overo act very oddly. The first horse that Chiilaa posted I would refer to as an 'Overo Sabino'. Picture them as the kids who sneak into the bathrooms to smoke, dye their hair and curse....then the next day are clean cut, dressed in suits, and giving lectures on community outreach.

Chiilaa 10-01-2011 10:01 PM

Oh dammit. I changed the pic that I used as the first was too big. Yes, the first horse has sabino rather than splash. Oops :(

Don't forget though that tobiano often causes the mapping or halo effect on it's own markings too.

PaintLover17 10-01-2011 10:19 PM

Thanks for all the great info! She actually is a carrier for the lethal white gene. Probably why she was technically a brood mare all her life before I bought her but only had one foal.
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