Help!

So if I back him into this spin, I have to be sure the outside shoulder is forward so he begins cross over correctly? That's what I'm assuming? Yes he knows how to spin, something has happened, either me or him or both and now we are here in a g rated tornado!!!!! And the thing is, he can spin fast like that! Dang!

I've seen trainers tell people to back up a step to get the hip engaged....I might try it a couple of times after I try side passing in.....

I was also told to spank that outside butt when he does it....haha I'm not that coordinated!

Just read a thread saying never back up a step into a spin.....confused!!!

I will for sure try the half passing and coming down into a tight circle first....

I'm really curious as to the mechanic of this, like what causes him to do it and how to control that hip so it doesn't move???? Or atleast so he doesn't bottle spin....

Make sure you see him pick it UP, if he steps under himself, you will see it drop.

I can control his hips, shoulders.....all of it......I'm just confused.....

I will make sure he picks that shoulder up, as he does have to be reminded now and again to pick his shoulders up......maybe that will plant him on his back end a bit more?

Well, if his shoulders aren't up he will be stiff on the front end, but I seemed to have confused you.. so ignore it! :)

Haha you haven't confused me, I've confused me.....there just seems to be so many ways to skin a darned cat!!!!

I will try the side pass in with his shoulder open and up, and the circling in....if all else fails I'll back up. And I will update you in two days!

Yes, I know what you're saying, light on the front end so he can easily cross over.....

Maybe I confused him too

My coach expresses how important it is never to back into a spin. When we are schooling at home we will work on getting them to move foward in a sitting trot in a circle and continue to make it smaller until you are ready to spin. Then the leg goes out and you neck rein. If the horse tries to back into the spin we kick them foward and do the circles all over again. If the horse starts to spin without you asking, again kick them forward and start again.

My coach does this with all the horses from those in training to his finished show horses.

Hope this helps

Ok I understand about not backing him in to the spin. I figured I would ride him forward out of the spin when he decideds to pop his hip out on me, also bringing him back in to the spin from a circle or half pass.....
I will update tomorrow afternoon :)
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Ugh! I was in tears by the time I got in my driveway today.......he's planting his butt for about 1/2 the turn and swinging it out after....I walked, trotted, half passed down into the spin.....nope....not working....got after him and rode him him out as soon as the hip popped out, tried keeping my outside leg back on him to hold his hip.....nothing.....ok.....going away to cry.....also even tried a back step.....nope, it got worse.......
Plus it doesn't help that some ignoramus walked into the barn and watched me ride the whole time, couldn't concentrate.......idiot!

Going to call for a lesson.....After I blow my nose....

I have my reining lesson tonight so I will ask my Coach what he would suggest and I will let you know. Don't worry I think everyone has had lessons like that before.. and what a complete bum for that person to watch you without asking if it was okay to stay. I hate having people watch me learning something new or working on something, it adds extra stress not to look like a fool. Sorry your lesson didnt work out.