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    02-02-2011, 06:22 PM
  #21
Weanling
I will do some independent research on shanked bits! Thanks for your responses!

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Get your horse stopping without any pressure at all on the bit, and get your horse really responsive to you. When you say (with your seat) stop-that means stop now-not in a step or two. My trainer has me reinforce that with immediately backing up most times we stop.
We are doing the hard, immediate stops with just seat and voice- followed by 3 steps of backing.
We turn and circle with no rein pressure. (unless it's like- "wake up we're circling here!" OR I'm having a crummy seat/leg day)

Would it be useful to practice turns on the haunches on the ground?

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Make sure you can move the front, mid and hind both ways with your weight and legs.....sidepasses, turns on the haunches, etc.
Honestly we have a ways to go on lateral movement. We just mastered turn on the forehand (*embarrassment*) - I'll get back on those.

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(I also hum, which was how my trainer trained mine). Lots of circles, transitions (every couple of strides sometimes....)
Please tell me about your "humming"! Kelty responds really well to my voice, and is voice-trained at all the gaits. My reining "trainer"... helper? She used to sing to her arab during shows. It kept him calm.

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DO NOT try to slide stop or spin without a trainer. It is super easy to screw up and not so easy to fix once they are doing it wrong. He also told me NOT to work on the rail.
I won't! Promise! I only asked because I'm going to ride a real reining horse for my birthday. Prompted by nrhareiner, I looked up reining trainers in my area and found out Todd Martin (apparently: "a NRHA Reserve Limited Open Futurity Champion, an NRHA's Reserve Limited Open Derby Champion, a multiple time NRBC finalist and a SWRHA Futurity Finalist.)
Lives and trains 20 minutes from my house. It's only $50 an hour for a lesson.
I would love to have a basic grasp of cues before I go so I could knock their socks off. :) that's probably silly.

We don't have sliding shoes so we won't be doing sliding stops for a while, even with my trainer. Don't worry I'm not on my own! I just appreciate the virtual gold mine of information this forum is.

No rail work? Explain what that means.. Stay off the rail?
     
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    02-02-2011, 06:24 PM
  #22
Showing
Great to see you've started, keep us updated!
     
    02-03-2011, 07:30 AM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by Clair    
I will do some independent research on shanked bits! Thanks for your responses!



We are doing the hard, immediate stops with just seat and voice- followed by 3 steps of backing.
We turn and circle with no rein pressure. (unless it's like- "wake up we're circling here!" OR I'm having a crummy seat/leg day)

Would it be useful to practice turns on the haunches on the ground?

Never hurts, IMO.


Honestly we have a ways to go on lateral movement. We just mastered turn on the forehand (*embarrassment*) - I'll get back on those.



Please tell me about your "humming"! Kelty responds really well to my voice, and is voice-trained at all the gaits. My reining "trainer"... helper? She used to sing to her arab during shows. It kept him calm.
My trainer in NY trains all if his to slow their gait with just a slight "hmmmm" sound, along with seat change. I have used "Shhh" in the past with my other guy (NOT a reiner-lol), but that is a bit loud for this, so we will go with the "hmmm". My horse is so calm it is hard to keep him moving, so it is not to calm him....


I won't! Promise! I only asked because I'm going to ride a real reining horse for my birthday. Prompted by nrhareiner, I looked up reining trainers in my area and found out Todd Martin (apparently: "a NRHA Reserve Limited Open Futurity Champion, an NRHA's Reserve Limited Open Derby Champion, a multiple time NRBC finalist and a SWRHA Futurity Finalist.)
Lives and trains 20 minutes from my house. It's only $50 an hour for a lesson.So jealous! That is what I pay for a lesson! And it is NOT an NRHA person at all!
I would love to have a basic grasp of cues before I go so I could knock their socks off. :) that's probably silly. As NRHA said-the cues are hard to explain over the net, and really, each horse is a bit different. So don't get hung up on that. Yeah, there are some very general cues, but that is not going to help you, since the subtlties (SP?) are going to be an individual thing.

We don't have sliding shoes so we won't be doing sliding stops for a while, even with my trainer. Don't worry I'm not on my own! I just appreciate the virtual gold mine of information this forum is.
We don't either. There is plenty to do before the plates go on for sure, and in winter..not smart, at least in my situation. My friends mare-whole different story. At the trainers, in a heated barn, no turnout, so she has her sliders on.
No rail work? Explain what that means.. Stay off the rail?
I think my trainer told me that because the rail becomes "easy", and it can easily be a habit for a horse to learn to gravitate toward it. And he knows I have 40+ years of english that has had me doing lots of rail work. With a reiner, being that NONE of the patterns have anything on the rail, you do not want them to learn to go to the rail, like you would with a pleasure horse. The only think the rail is really used for in reining is "fencing", and that is WAY far away for you. That is for perfecting stops.
     
    02-03-2011, 03:32 PM
  #24
Trained
With reiners where you stop and rest them is very very important. I normally like to stop and let them breath no only after every stop about a good 2 min. But also a lot in the middle of the pattern/arena. You want the horse to be the most relaxed in the middle of the arena where they stop for their turns and their lead changes. Letting them stop and rest there is a good way for them to get comfortable and relax in that spot
     
    02-03-2011, 10:10 PM
  #25
Weanling
Forgive me for grammar or length- I'm typing this on my phone
This is so helpful! These kind of practical tips are things I can incorporate myself, right now, at any gait. It makes so much sense but I would have never thought of it on my own.
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    02-07-2011, 09:16 AM
  #26
Weanling
Hi everybody! Thought I would just update y'all on Kelty's progress. I am loving the exercises everybody suggested, and so is Kelty! Even though we are just working at the trot right now, the change of routine by stopping, backing, and staying off the rail keeps his focus on me 24/7! He was getting bored with the sameold sameold I think. He asks to canter, but I think I'll wait til Tuesday when my reining gal comes out. Oh and we made progress at the turn on the haunches! We go a full 360 fairly quickly! Obviously, not a spin, just rapid steps, but I was not expecting to pick the turn on the haunches so well and so quickly! Thank you for your encouragement and Kelty thanks you as well. He is so eager to work lately, we call it "play". We are still bareback at this point but are practicing our moves (and hopefully the lope) in a western saddled tomorrow as well. Again thank you! I'll keep updating.
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    02-07-2011, 09:32 AM
  #27
Trained
Glad it is going well and you are both having fun! Again, I would caution about the turn on the haunches...going toward your spins without pro help. It is much easier to get wrong than right, and NOT easy to fix. Slow and correct is the way to go, IMO. Don't get too anxious!
     
    02-07-2011, 09:59 AM
  #28
Weanling
Its actually also a trail obstacle move. Put back hooves in the square, turn 360 degrees. We've been doing it with turn on the forehand for quite a while. Its not a forced movement at all. He's very relaxed. Its certainly not a spin, and I've had instruction on my turn on the forehand :)
I will check it with my trainer tomorrow
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    02-07-2011, 10:30 AM
  #29
Trained
OK-got it. I practice the same thing for trail trials, plus, my dad ALWAYS insisted on it.....all my horses had to learn that

Mind you if he was alive, he would be nearly 100, and used to train back when the dinosaurs ruled the earth.......but some things never change.
     
    02-07-2011, 03:33 PM
  #30
Weanling
That's okay. I wish I had horseman blood in my family! I'm the first one since our Cherokee ancestors haha.

We did everything backwards with Kelty. Green abused horse.. meet your intermediate rider. Kelty and I learn together from my fantastic trainer/coach and this great schoolmaster morganquarter cross 10 year old named Dancer (who won't let you get away with ANYTHING).

I'm obsessive about not training Kelty wrong or badly or messing anything up.
I realized immediately that I'm training him all the time... even when I'm not on him. It can get to the point where its debilitating! But worth it. Kelty's a champ and he has the "try"- the "heart"- I always read about.
Oh gosh! Now I've gotta go see him!
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