The more I think about it and watch, the more I agree. I was able to get him to round yesterday, but he was definitely not comfortable. He is not on any supplements right now, but that will most likely be what I do, based upon what I am told when he gets home. Believe it or not, he is hugely improved, so I do feel like his training has been worth it, since my goal was to have some reining training, but to really just have a nice horse who is responsive. As soon as he gets home the sliders will come off and he will return to being a horse, which I think will do him a world of good. I also need to back off a bit on him, and get this sorted out so that he can be comfortable. I know he knows how now at least. Cherie-some of it is made more difficult because he has a very obstinant personality, and seems to always want to do things the hard way by being stubborn. He has ALWAYS been that way. I say left, he says right type of thing. I will think about pm'ing you-the trainer really is good, and not a rough sort, which was why I went with him. It can be difficult to find a reining trainer who will even take a PMU rescue heinz 57 type of horse and even put effort into him.