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        05-11-2013, 10:57 AM
      #21
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    Here is an story that I am a bit hesitent to tell but I will.

    Last summer a freind from CA was on brake from her regular gig and was headed to NY for anouther project. She had a few days to kill and wanted to spend them somewhere quiet and such. Anyway to make a long story short. She had done some riding but not much. When she was here she wanted to ride a reining horse after watching me work a few of my horses. So I put her on my Dun It mare. Now again this mare you MUST ride her. She has buttons and if you know where to push she is a great ride. Can +1 all maneuvers. Lets just say that it took a bit for my friend to figure out the buttons. She did b/c I was able to move around her and the horse while she was riding and trying to figure out the cues. I was able to physical move her leg into the correct spot. I also videoed her riding so she could see what was going on. There is no way I could have gotten her working that horse like she did from just watching a video of her trying to ride the horse.
         
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        05-11-2013, 11:02 AM
      #22
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    Man, my horse does it all the time, and when he does it I try to make him to it more. The only thing is - he only does it when he is being a butt. So then I make him spin since he wanted to so much. But the only thing wrong is that I have no idea if I am cueing him right. Lol, I THINK I am, but I am most likely not.
         
        05-11-2013, 01:12 PM
      #23
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    Amberly, I am doubting that was a proper reining spin. I would hazard a guess that his body is NOT straight, his inside foot is NOT planted, and he may of may not be crossing over correctly.

    As far as I am concerned, since we ARE in the reining section, here we should be discussing a proper reining spin, not one any horse does randomly. :-/
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        05-11-2013, 01:40 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Perhaps this will demonstrate what I am trying to explain. If you watch this video and pay attention to how the horse spins.....(actually same is true of stop, etc)

    Then look at the elements of this in an actual reining competition.



    Neither one are anything more than local competitions. I purposely did not choose championship riders. I think you can easily see the difference in the spin, as well as the other elements.
         
        05-11-2013, 09:54 PM
      #25
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Here is an story that I am a bit hesitent to tell but I will.

    Last summer a freind from CA was on brake from her regular gig and was headed to NY for anouther project. She had a few days to kill and wanted to spend them somewhere quiet and such. Anyway to make a long story short. She had done some riding but not much. When she was here she wanted to ride a reining horse after watching me work a few of my horses. So I put her on my Dun It mare. Now again this mare you MUST ride her. She has buttons and if you know where to push she is a great ride. Can +1 all maneuvers. Lets just say that it took a bit for my friend to figure out the buttons. She did b/c I was able to move around her and the horse while she was riding and trying to figure out the cues. I was able to physical move her leg into the correct spot. I also videoed her riding so she could see what was going on. There is no way I could have gotten her working that horse like she did from just watching a video of her trying to ride the horse.
    I though it was a lovely story!

    I agree- nothin like bein there in person to give some honest tips- and to actually be able to show the rider what they should be doing correctly.. but I can see what theyre doin wrong from a video- im not there to physically move the horse for the person-- I wouldnt do that anyway -- I can give advice based on what I see is wrong in the video though-- It doesnt hinder my assessment-- im no pro level aqha world champ but I can still see the flaws in someones riding from a mile away..


    When a greenie gets on your dun it mare can't you tell right away its rider error?
         
        05-11-2013, 11:24 PM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    I though it was a lovely story!

    Thanks. We are both hopping she will have some free time again this summer to stop by for a few days.

    I agree- nothin like bein there in person to give some honest tips- and to actually be able to show the rider what they should be doing correctly.. but I can see what theyre doin wrong from a video- im not there to physically move the horse for the person-- I wouldnt do that anyway -- I can give advice based on what I see is wrong in the video though-- It doesnt hinder my assessment-- im no pro level aqha world champ but I can still see the flaws in someones riding from a mile away..

    To some extent this is true. However you can not see what the rider is doing all the way around. With out that it is very hard to really tell. You can see parts but not the whole picture.


    When a greenie gets on your dun it mare can't you tell right away its rider error?
    There is a differance between telling it is rider error and being able to say you have your leg one inch too fare forward on the out side and a 1 inch to fare back on the inside. Then be able to tell that the riders hips are turned too much or not enough and do on. These little error in position and cues are hard to see on a video when you can not see both sides of the horse or are not at the correct angle.
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        05-12-2013, 06:07 AM
      #27
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toto    
    I though it was a lovely story!

    I agree- nothin like bein there in person to give some honest tips- and to actually be able to show the rider what they should be doing correctly.. but I can see what theyre doin wrong from a video- im not there to physically move the horse for the person-- I wouldnt do that anyway -- I can give advice based on what I see is wrong in the video though-- It doesnt hinder my assessment-- im no pro level aqha world champ but i can still see the flaws in someones riding from a mile away..


    When a greenie gets on your dun it mare can't you tell right away its rider error?
    This reminds me of a physician who told me years ago that he could tell from across the street if someone has HIV. Not only clairvoyant, but super vision powers as well!
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        05-12-2013, 08:43 AM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    This reminds me of a physician who told me years ago that he could tell from across the street if someone has HIV. Not only clairvoyant, but super vision powers as well!
    ok..Ew

    I didnt say I could see if the horse has some kind of cancer, or something unnoticable.. its pretty obvious when a horses performance is hindered by a green rider.. if that makes me some kind of mutant ninja super saiyan.. ill keep it.
         
        05-12-2013, 08:51 AM
      #29
    Trained
    The point we are making is that you can not always tell. The story I told earlier showed a green rider. Here is one with a very experianced rider.

    My Dun It mare was up at the trainers. He asked if other riders could use my mare and I gave a relutant OK. These where experianced riders and reiners. Yet it took each of them some time to be able to get my mare to perform well. First year the assistant trainer showed her the combo won under $100. The next year then finished in the top 30 in the world and at one point where in the top 15. Was that b/c the rider could not ride? Was it b/c the mare was not well trained? Neither. It just took that much time for the rider to get consitant with hitting the correct cues for that mare.

    Non of this you could have seen by watching a video.
         
        05-12-2013, 09:02 AM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    There is a differance between telling it is rider error and being able to say you have your leg one inch too fare forward on the out side and a 1 inch to fare back on the inside. Then be able to tell that the riders hips are turned too much or not enough and do on. These little error in position and cues are hard to see on a video when you can not see both sides of the horse or are not at the correct angle.


    I agree and I understand that I can't stand at the horses left side and see his right side- but I can't see that unless im on a swivel walking circles around the horse either.. just the thought is making me dizzy.



    I can get the general idea from a video and can ask questions about their positioning on the other side.. im sure you can too-- guess it aint the professional thing to do-- to give advice based off a video but I don't think its impossible-- I give advice in the riding crit thread for jumping all the time.. kinda, lol.
         

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