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        05-12-2013, 09:09 AM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    The point we are making is that you can not always tell. The story I told earlier showed a green rider. Here is one with a very experianced rider.

    My Dun It mare was up at the trainers. He asked if other riders could use my mare and I gave a relutant OK. These where experianced riders and reiners. Yet it took each of them some time to be able to get my mare to perform well. First year the assistant trainer showed her the combo won under $100. The next year then finished in the top 30 in the world and at one point where in the top 15. Was that b/c the rider could not ride? Was it b/c the mare was not well trained? Neither. It just took that much time for the rider to get consitant with hitting the correct cues for that mare.

    Non of this you could have seen by watching a video.

    It takes some time to get used to a new horse- I agree. Most horses wont perform well for a stranger based on the fact they don't trust them as the leader.. none of that could have even been changed by the person that trained the horse physically showing the rider the cues either.. I don't think that has to do with rider skill but establishment of a relationship with the horse.. and practice..
         
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        05-12-2013, 09:52 AM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    It takes some time to get used to a new horse- I agree. Most horses wont perform well for a stranger based on the fact they don't trust them as the leader.. none of that could have even been changed by the person that trained the horse physically showing the rider the cues either.. I don't think that has to do with rider skill but establishment of a relationship with the horse.. and practice..
    NO I do not agree with that. I have seen my trainer get on horses he did not train or has never ridden before and get them with in a few min doing the maneuvers that would mark a 71-72 if the horse had the talent and the training. Same with a lot of other riders. If a horse had to trust the rider to perform well then you would not see so many catch riders in so many events.

    Also there are many things you can see in person that you can not see ona video. If I could post the video of my freind last summer I could show you what I mean but at last I will not post it for reasons I will not get into. My point is that b/c I can move around I can say now move your leg or change this or not and they can do it at that point to see and feel the differance. Also I am not getting just a snippit of time. I am getting the whole picture not just what is on the video.

    Example. As a pro photographer. I have captured some great pictures that makes the person/rider/horse look great on the worst of runs. It is nothing more the a snippit of time.
         
        05-12-2013, 10:56 AM
      #33
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    I agree. Many horses that knows their job well will preform for anyone-- especially a horse that's been doin their job for years and knows it well.

    I look at it like this- there is a big difference between a 100k show horse that's performance bred and trained by a professional- and a 800$ reining horse trained by someone.. heck I can go out and buy a run of the mill average joe horse- train em in reining-- will they be in the big leagues? Probably not- but theyll do local fun shows.


    I understand that with a still frame photograph but a video I can get an idea of whats going wrong.. lets be honest- you can tell if its horse or rider error with in the first minute of the person mounting. A serious show horse probably wouldnt perform with a greenie- but I know for a fact a 'backyard' reinin horse will. I've ridden many, lol.

    I used to ride this lil 14.3hand sorrel quarter gelding that would have done well in lower level non pro division -he was a ranch and rope horse- but would definitely spin well (he would over spin if I let him- heck a pro horse would andthats when rider experience comes in- and well save that for another one, lol.) My point is- hed spin with me and I didnt have to try hard to get him to do it-- for him I could squeeze both legs and if I wanted him to speed up id kiss to him- hed do all 3 gaits untill I felt sick. or I could tap inside with layed on outside vise versus. He didnt need a reason.


    Awesome! I love horse still frame!
         
        05-12-2013, 01:41 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    I agree and I understand that I can't stand at the horses left side and see his right side- but I can't see that unless im on a swivel walking circles around the horse either.. just the thought is making me dizzy.



    I can get the general idea from a video and can ask questions about their positioning on the other side.. im sure you can too-- guess it aint the professional thing to do-- to give advice based off a video but I don't think its impossible-- I give advice in the riding crit thread for jumping all the time.. kinda, lol.
    Here is my issue. "kinda" advise can be really bad in ANY discipline, but especially reining. It is SO easy to screw them up and SO difficult to correct them once they are. That is what "kinda" will get you.

    I also shake my head that anyone feels comfortable giving "kinda" advise over the net to folks, many of whom are young and will believe every word you say. I would never be that presumptuous. And to be able to do it in totally different disciplines. A bit scary and egotistical. JMHO.
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        05-12-2013, 01:43 PM
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    Here is my issue. "kinda" advise can be really bad in ANY discipline, but especially reining. It is SO easy to screw them up and SO difficult to correct them once they are. That is what "kinda" will get you.

    I also shake my head that anyone feels comfortable giving "kinda" advise over the net to folks, many of whom are young and will believe every word you say. I would never be that presumptuous. And to be able to do it in totally different disciplines. A bit scary and egotistical. JMHO.

    Nah I didnt mean "kinda" like that.. I meant I post in the thread kinda a lot.. I've posted a few times but not really a lot. I don't know how that got taken so far out of context.. guess when you really dig you can make anything sound bad. *shrugs*

    I've taken exclusive lessons and have done quite a few different disciplines in my lifetime.. im a bisaddler.. just to clear that up. I have done more than just one discipline-- but I guess that's whacha get for making false conjectures..


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        05-12-2013, 01:54 PM
      #36
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    Like I said-guess I am not that presumptuous as to think I know it all. That was the point.
         
        05-12-2013, 02:04 PM
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Like I said-guess I am not that presumptuous as to think I know it all. That was the point.


    I never said I 'know it all' and I never portrayed myself to look that way!


    Im very versatile in the horse world and I can offer my opinions to many different people.. I like to be helpful. If I have information that works I share it.
         
        05-12-2013, 02:55 PM
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    I never said I 'know it all' and I never portrayed myself to look that way!


    Im very versatile in the horse world and I can offer my opinions to many different people.. I like to be helpful. If I have information that works I share it.



    Im not tryin ta belittle this sport- but that girl don't want her horse to mark in the high 70s she wants to do a spin for fun to see what it feels like..

    I know its a serious sport and yall don't want people to think its a cake walk because yall work hard to prefect it. I understand. The OP just wants to do a spin though.. why make it into somethin that's so off topic?


    OP, squeeze your legs and turn in a circle (neck-rein) keep your outside leg squeezed and wiggle the inside leg (grab the horn in the opposite hand and look in the direction you wanna go.. simple as that.

    ^explained the easiest way I know how..
         
        05-12-2013, 03:13 PM
      #39
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    Toto-Op did not explain WHAT quality of spin she wanted. Just because she is doing local stuff does not mean she doesn't want a quality spin. That was the purpose of my posts explaining the differences.

    Op-Personally I would doubt what has been suggested will work. Not from any of the trainers I know, but feel free to try it. Worst case-horse will stand there, just like now, I guess.
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        05-12-2013, 03:47 PM
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    OP, squeeze your legs and turn in a circle (neck-rein) keep your outside leg squeezed and wiggle the inside leg (grab the horn in the opposite hand and look in the direction you wanna go.. simple as that.

    ^explained the easiest way I know how..
    I have yet to see a reining horse cued this way. It would not work on any of the reiners I have ever owned or ridden and the list is quite long.
         

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