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    03-21-2013, 11:14 AM
  #1
Green Broke
I think my horse is becoming show sour.

Playboy is my horse that I have been paying off for awhile. I plan on showing him Foundation QH this year and I really want to go for versatility. However, I think my gelding is becoming ring sour. At the last foundation show I went to, he tried running out of each of his stops. Then at the open show I went to last weekend, it's like he was trying his hardest to do everything wrong and completely ignore me. He was perfect in the warm up pen and was being such a doll before we went in, I don't know what his deal was!

Maybe its ME? He is a big lazy son of a gun and him running through that one lead change was so not like him and took me by surprise. When I was asking for my spins, you can hear my mom complaining about me using my legs (lol), because I was told specifically NOT to by the guy I am buying him from, he just spins with neck rein and a bit of leg in the beginning, but then in the show pen it was totally different. He just wouldn't listen period.

Maybe he was tired and had enough? There was a constant "hurry up and wait" scenario. I wound up warming up with all the western pleasure horses, no one told me there was a separate warm up for the reiners, so he got warmed up twice. He is rather out of shape, see the belly?;) lol

I rode him at the local arena a few days ago, and I decided not to ride with spurs. Normally, that's a terrible idea because he is SO freaking lazy. But, he was a perfect angel! Maybe I was accidently bumping him, or he was worried that I might (at the show). I don't usually get nervous in the show pen, especially at little open shows, so it's not like I was getting him worked up.



If you guys see anything I need to work on PLEASE let me know, I am open to suggestions, especially on him only switching leads in the front.
     
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    03-21-2013, 11:15 AM
  #2
Green Broke
WHOOPS sorry I forgot to post the video, I am still waiting for it to upload to youtube. So, it will be about 2 hours XD
     
    03-21-2013, 11:20 AM
  #3
Banned
If he's running through your stops in the show pen, take him to a schooling show.....and school him.....I've seen pros fence a horse during a run, and sometimes the only way to fix it is to suck up the entry fee and use your turn to school. Sounds like he's got show smart.......they do this because they know you're not going to get after them for not running right.

I haven't watched the vid, it's not here yet
     
    03-21-2013, 12:29 PM
  #4
Green Broke
Fourty seven more minutes. :P
     
    03-21-2013, 01:41 PM
  #5
Green Broke
Playboy has a bad day. - YouTube
     
    03-21-2013, 01:55 PM
  #6
Banned
I PMed you
     
    03-27-2013, 11:47 AM
  #7
Green Broke
I am not a reining expert by any means, so I'm sure someone else can chime in better than me.

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Originally Posted by MangoRoX87    
Maybe its ME? He is a big lazy son of a gun and him running through that one lead change was so not like him and took me by surprise. When I was asking for my spins, you can hear my mom complaining about me using my legs (lol), because I was told specifically NOT to by the guy I am buying him from, he just spins with neck rein and a bit of leg in the beginning, but then in the show pen it was totally different. He just wouldn't listen period.
While horses can most certainly have" bad days" just like humans can, about 90% of the time it IS the rider's fault.

Do you have regular lessons with (I assume) his trainer that owns him? Certainly there could be something you are cueing him for, that isn't quite exactly how Playboy was taught.

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Maybe he was tired and had enough? There was a constant "hurry up and wait" scenario. I wound up warming up with all the western pleasure horses, no one told me there was a separate warm up for the reiners, so he got warmed up twice. He is rather out of shape, see the belly?;) lol
He's out of shape, but you're showing him?

Do you think an NBA basketball player would perform their best, jumping into a game during the off season where they are not in shape? Absolutely not.

Therefore, you cannot expect Playboy to perform his best if he is not in his best shape. I don't blame him for having a bad day.


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Originally Posted by MangoRoX87    
I rode him at the local arena a few days ago, and I decided not to ride with spurs. Normally, that's a terrible idea because he is SO freaking lazy. But, he was a perfect angel! Maybe I was accidently bumping him, or he was worried that I might (at the show). I don't usually get nervous in the show pen, especially at little open shows, so it's not like I was getting him worked up.
Do you accidentally bump him?

If you don't know if you are bumping him, then maybe you shouldn't be using spurs at all until you get better leg control. I don't mean that in a "put down" sense, but spurs on a reining horse, who has been precisely trained, need to be used correctly all the time. Or you will confuse him. When a horse gets confused, they get frustrated, and don't perform well or appear to be "doing things wrong on purpose" when in reality, they are just tryiing to figure out all the cues the rider is giving them wrong or confusing.

Again, are you taking lessons with the person that trained him?


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Originally Posted by MangoRoX87    
If you guys see anything I need to work on PLEASE let me know, I am open to suggestions, especially on him only switching leads in the front.
Lead changes are all about hip control. You've got to get that hip moved in order for the change to happen on all 4 legs (and not just the front).

Have you been having regular issues with his lead changes or was this the first time?
     
    03-27-2013, 05:26 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by MangoRoX87    
Playboy is my horse that I have been paying off for awhile. I plan on showing him Foundation QH this year and I really want to go for versatility. However, I think my gelding is becoming ring sour. At the last foundation show I went to, he tried running out of each of his stops. Then at the open show I went to last weekend, it's like he was trying his hardest to do everything wrong and completely ignore me. He was perfect in the warm up pen and was being such a doll before we went in, I don't know what his deal was!

Like Muppet said, he's gotten show smart. Selena is show smart too. I have to take her to a schooling show frequently and really get after her to expect her to perform right. It's not uncommon for people to do that either, because horses will learn that you won't reprimand them in a show.

Maybe its ME? He is a big lazy son of a gun and him running through that one lead change was so not like him and took me by surprise. When I was asking for my spins, you can hear my mom complaining about me using my legs (lol), because I was told specifically NOT to by the guy I am buying him from, he just spins with neck rein and a bit of leg in the beginning, but then in the show pen it was totally different. He just wouldn't listen period.

The idea behind not using legs is all great, but you should tune with your legs. Ie, if he doesn't move or speed up with a cluck and the rein, spur him, then soften and let him find his spin again. Then they stop needing the spur. It's about knowing your horse too. With Selena, I have to spur her right in the warmup before so she'll perk up, but I also rode a colt who if you spurred and really mashed on him then he'd panic, so you had to do it to spark him up say, three days before. Then he'd be spinning really well and be calm enough by show day. Playboy sounds like one who could use that "spark" right before you go in, but that's up to your judgement. Just remember to always take your leg off when he responds.

Maybe he was tired and had enough? There was a constant "hurry up and wait" scenario. I wound up warming up with all the western pleasure horses, no one told me there was a separate warm up for the reiners, so he got warmed up twice. He is rather out of shape, see the belly?;) lol

This is another "know your horse" scenario. Does he get tired easy? Does he not like to work tired?

I rode him at the local arena a few days ago, and I decided not to ride with spurs. Normally, that's a terrible idea because he is SO freaking lazy. But, he was a perfect angel! Maybe I was accidently bumping him, or he was worried that I might (at the show). I don't usually get nervous in the show pen, especially at little open shows, so it's not like I was getting him worked up.

This is an idea too. My flaw is overriding my legs unconciously and not trusting the horse to work like we practiced, which causes them to get frustrated. Maybe you have the same problem as me?



If you guys see anything I need to work on PLEASE let me know, I am open to suggestions, especially on him only switching leads in the front.
Answers in bold.

Addressing the lead change though, I agree with what Beau said about hip control but also a good amount of lift in the shoulder and ribcage is going to help you get a change in front if they are sticky.

I would spend a lot of time doing tight counter canter circles, clovers at the counter canter, etc as well as at the trot doing expanded forehand turns and pushing his hip out and around until he gets super soft with it, and see what it does. Don't completely throw away your hand though, get a little bit of bump with it and hold him steady in the change at first and see how his front end responds after you do all that with his hip.

Unfortunately I can' watch the video right now, but I hope this helps.
     
    03-27-2013, 06:02 PM
  #9
Showing
So many times I've seen horses been ridden too much in the warm up pen that by the time the class comes they are tired. For warmup, long trotting for a few minutes is a great exercise that's easy on the horse and warms it up.
     
    03-27-2013, 06:26 PM
  #10
Weanling
I can't view the video on this computer I am on as it's to slow.

It's quite certain your horse could be show sour, or just doesn't like his job anymore. I know with my horse he became sour from show jumping and just didn't enjoy it much anymore, so I tried other things with him: trail rides, gymkana (sp), western pleasure, dressage, cross country... he then started enjoying doing all those things as well as jumping, he was again, a very happy horse being able to do different things other then jump!
     

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