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  • Fixing reining horse spins
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    08-13-2011, 08:44 PM
  #1
Foal
New to Reining - Spinning advice?

Hello, I am brand new to the forum here and hoping to get some advice! I've read almost all the posts on here on spinning already, but I thought maybe posting directly will help.

I have a 9 y/o paint mare that I bought a couple months ago. She came with 90 days of training and can do a sliding stop very nicely just off of seat pressure. I am working on speed control in the circles and neck reining in a large field, and I'm making progress there. Lead changes are still a challenge.

However, I've been trying to get her to spin since I got her, and I know I am just not doing something right because she would have gotten it by now. It's very frustrating, I'm not sure how to fix whatever I'm doing wrong!

I've been concentrating on getting her to cross over with her front leg, which she will do for a few steps, then she'll shuffle and swing her hip, then she'll cross over again.

I've even got a short video..... I know it's awful, but please, any tips!!! I've already seen Larry Trocha's videos and like I said I've read every post on this forum about spinning, but I'm obviously not getting something....

The video link:
     
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    08-13-2011, 10:39 PM
  #2
Trained
Which videos of larry trochas have you seen? I know the ones on youtube one addresses why a horse would kick out their hip, and can problem explain it a lot better than I can, haha.

Sorry I can't watch your video, my internet is entirely too slow at the moment.
     
    08-14-2011, 11:57 PM
  #3
Foal
This looks like a pretty good start. Be sure to get her to 'follow' your inside leg when you take it off and use your outside leg to move her front end around and to stop her kicking out her hip. It is never a good idea to back into a spin as it should be a 'forward' movement so starting from a small walking circle will encourage the outside leg to cross over in front, whereas backing into it or losing the 'forward' motion will cause her to cross behind, Good luck, just keep at it. It takes many months to finish a reiner, it can't be achieved in a few weeks.
     
    08-15-2011, 12:00 AM
  #4
Foal
Also when they bind up or stop crossing, immediately push out of the turn around and redirect into your circle and start again, don't just keep letting her throw her hip or stop crossing in front.
     
    08-15-2011, 04:28 AM
  #5
Foal
Maybe getting her to take a step backwards and then ask her would help?
     
    08-15-2011, 06:13 AM
  #6
Trained
AS a beginner reiner also, I will tell you what I have soaked up watching and working with 3 different trainers, 2 of whom are NRHA judges. First, every trainer trains to slightly different cues. It would probably be wise to at least ASK the person who trained her how they started her. That way, you are less likely to confuse her. If you want to start from scratch, then fine, but as stated above it is a FORWARD movement, Never back into it. Once you can move any part of the horse you want off your leg, walk or even trot smaller and smaller circles, cue her to move her front end over ONLY her front! Once you get a correct step or 2, walk her out of the circle and start again, gradually building to more and more steps. I have been told it is much easier to teach them the first time than to try and correct the stpeeing over you are getting. The issue I am now having is getting speed, which is fine, since I get too dizzy anyway....but correct and slow is better than wrong and fast, or so I have been told.

Good lulck, just don't try too much too fast......
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    08-19-2011, 11:44 AM
  #7
Trained
First.. STOP what you are doing it creating more problems then you are getting it correct. You horse is learning to cross over behind. Once that starts it is very very very very very very hard to fix. Did I mention it is VERY hard to fix??

What you need to work on is getting your horse to move every single inch of their body. If you do not have a flying lead change is it b/c you are not controlling the body. That is the very first thing a reiner MUST know is how to control the horses body and the horse must do it like it is second nature.

Next once you have that down then walk into and out of your turns. A turn is a forward motion not a side ways one or a back wards one. Once you can do this for a step then do 2 then 3 and so on.

To control the hip the best thing is to side pass into the turn. If the horse it bent too much into the direction of the turn the hip will swing out. All you should be able to see is the corner of your horses eye. No more no less.

Next and this is very very important. Get a few lessons from a proven reining trainer. At the very least get a person who knows what a turn should look like to give you a hand. Until you learn what one feels like it is very hard to teach a horse.
     
    08-19-2011, 11:45 AM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by cowgirls4    
maybe getting her to take a step backwards and then ask her would help?

NO NO NO NO. Never a step back especially at the beginning. This horse is already crossing over behind. This is very bad and will only lead to big problems down the road. Turns need to start by being able to control the horses body then you start by walking into and out of the turn. Usually from a circle.
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    08-26-2011, 10:57 AM
  #9
Foal
In order to spin properly your horse needs to have a strong topline and abdomen muscles in order to remain balanced and keep the shoulders moving forward around a stationary hind end.

Any exercises you do to improve the spins should be designed to develop those muscles first. I suggest being able to do a perfect circle first, draw a 12 foot circle and a 18 foot circle around a center cone, and work on being able to walk and trot in between the 2 circles. To do this you will need to stretch the horses topline and contract the abdomen a little bit as well as start teaching your horse to supple his shoulders and hips laterally. (this is tougher than it sounds to do properly)

Once you can do a proper circle each direction at a walk and trot then work on going from one circle to the other at both a walk and trot, this will get your horse to accept your hands and legs and allow you to change the arc willingly.

Next you need to be able to walk and trot a straight line and keep the horses hips and shoulders on a straight line and move their face left or right while maintaining the straight line, (this further strengthens the top line and starts to teach the horse to stay between your legs and reins)
Next you need to be able to walk and trot a straight line while being able to move the horses shoulders left or right (shoulder in) and the hips left or right (haunches in)

Some key things to remember:
- always keep the horses face vertical to the ground ( move the face left and right not the nose) The vertical tip of the face will transfer itself to the horses shoulders so by keeping the face vertical the shoulders will stay vertical.

- Always use your hands in rhythm with the horses feet
- Always use your legs in rhythm with the horses feet
- if your horse shortens his stride when you are working on getting him to stretch his topline make sure you use your legs to keep the forward cadence (this is what strengthens the abdomen muscles)

Teaching a horse to do anything properly requires the development of the muscles first and that is always done more effectively in baby steps instead of going right to the maneuver.

If you would like to see some video's of how to properly do these exercises I explained send me your email address and I will send you a FREE invite to my video collection blog.

Good luck and enjoy the process of training your own horse. Patience Practice and persistence is all that is needed. But very few have the patience or time to first learn how to be effective riders so they can properly exercise their horses and secondly the patience to allow their horses to develop the muscles needed to work properly.

There are no short cuts or tricks that work better than proper preparation.

Rod
     

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