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post #11 of 23 Old 02-18-2014, 04:30 PM Thread Starter
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Precisely this with exception of it being nylon rather than leather.
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I have not seen a reiner in a noseband. Not a cutter. Never saw one trained with one either.
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Not a tie down like this^

Western Cavesson?

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My apologies I'm unable to edit my post further. I did find a web page and another one. Looks rather high on the face.



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Ooooh. Well, I don't use those, I've never had a problem with horses playing with the bit and opening their mouths.

But that's not adjusted too high. A cavesson is adjusted higher than a noseband. Cavessons are adjusted with about 1.5-2" down from the cheek bone. English nosebands are adjusted underneath the bit across the lips and helps hold the bit in place. Our western mouth closers are exactly the same as an english cavesson, we just use "harsher" (hate to use that word, but not sure what else to use) materials. I've seen many english horses that can never hold a bit up on their own because they're always bracing against the padded leather cavesson, I've never seen a horse with a mouth closer on that gapes it's mouth when the equipment is taken off if it was used properly for training.

I do think the picture with the buckskin has it a bit too tight, but not too high.
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Ooooh. Well, I don't use those, I've never had a problem with horses playing with the bit and opening their mouths.

But that's not adjusted too high. A cavesson is adjusted higher than a noseband. Cavessons are adjusted with about 1.5-2" down from the cheek bone. English nosebands are adjusted underneath the bit across the lips and helps hold the bit in place. Our western mouth closers are exactly the same as an english cavesson, we just use "harsher" (hate to use that word, but not sure what else to use) materials. I've seen many english horses that can never hold a bit up on their own because they're always bracing against the padded leather cavesson, I've never seen a horse with a mouth closer on that gapes it's mouth when the equipment is taken off if it was used properly for training.

I do think the picture with the buckskin has it a bit too tight, but not too high.
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I am gradually learning about english dress and cavessons. I concur. The confusion for me begins with the word. If you were to google "Western Noseband" The result would be Tie down nosebands. Lol

I googled "Western Cavesson" in order to discovered what I was seeking out. Low and behind it's not a cavesson? Placed side by side with the Drop Cavesson it would be similar.

From the web page It's Described as "Francois' Gauthier' Collection' by' Lami Cell' Rope' Noseband" I believe it appears too tight for the fact it's too high on the face. What could come of it being up that high to begin with? Western riders don't keep contact on the bit. Might it be for someone that keeps constant contact on the bit? I am lost lol
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You want the tie down a bit higher on the nose for the horse to brace against. You don't want to hurt the softer tissue/cartlidge further down.

As I stated earlier, tie downs are NOT for keeping the horses mouth closed, they are used to help the horse stay flat when he takes off at a dead run after a cow, or after turning around a barrel, etc.
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elbandita--Is that really to keep a horse from opening its mouth?

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@ropinbiker This isn't about tie down nose bands. This is about cavessons.
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Mango, I think what the op saw on the reining horse was probably a tie down and not a cavesson....I have never seen a reiner with a cavesson, but I, of course, could be wrong.

The reason I am assuming that the reiner had a tie down is this-- reiners are ridden on a loose rein, therefore there shouldn't be an need to keep it's mouth closed...but, when asked to canter from the stop, they do need a good frame, which the tie-down may help with. Don't know for sure though....
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