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    04-18-2010, 11:56 AM
  #51
Yearling
WOW. This guy needs a reality check. Here are some choice comments from his second link.

"All shows are corrupted; all shows are about appearance, hence about deception. It attracts women for most part, because women from the childhood are obsessed with appearances."

"Wearing a make up is nothing else but a form of deception covering up their realities. For one to be a decent horseman requires first of all honesty, hence a genuine horsemen are decent people that would never take part in any form of deceptions, and since shows are about deceptions you will never find any decent horsemen participating.
They may train the horses in the background, providing they get paid for it, but seeing them performing is against their conscience and extremely degrading."

"One of my greatest life disappointments, when coming to the states, finding out that the “cowboys” cannot ride horses, similarly as finding out that the American Indians are not honest people (speaking with forked tongue), or that most (99%) of Negroes in the US are racists (resentful and envious of the whites). I’ve read books about USA before coming to the US, only to find out that the books did not even remotely described the reality, one of the reasons why I do not trust books anymore."
     
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    04-18-2010, 12:26 PM
  #52
Trained
That man is truly diluted and needs to go back to what every fairly land he came from.
     
    04-18-2010, 01:30 PM
  #53
Banned
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Although here are exceptions to ever rule (I have seen a few of those exceptions) the rule with reiners is that we do not tie the horses head high over night. We do not use gimmicks to get the horse to do things. It comes down to training.
To say this is the norm in western pleasure is just as ignorant as the website posted... which is hardly an article.

The last time I checked the western pleasure horse does not require specialized shoes to compete.

The burnout rate for western pleasure is far less than reining which IS very demanding on the horse.

I have seen many reining horses at 2 years of age that are over bent, over bitted, and loping in way to tight of circles way to early in their training.
But I have also seen good trainers with reining horses who start 'em slower.

I watched AL Dunning's "Reining Fundamentals" and I was totally shocked. His horses in the video were WAYYY to behind the bit and over bent; plus almost every horse has a training fork on it... they looked stressed and not at all happy.

Western pleasure horses and reining horses can both compete well into their golden years; however I see many more pleasure horses who are shown and winning over the age of 6 than in reining, where it seems horses over the age of 3 are not often seen at breed shows....
     
    04-18-2010, 01:56 PM
  #54
Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
That man is truly diluted and needs to go back to what every fairly land he came from.
This I can agree on,

Nothing like people coming to America for more 'Freedom' then bit**ing about it.
     
    04-18-2010, 06:37 PM
  #55
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
To say this is the norm in western pleasure is just as ignorant as the website posted... which is hardly an article.

I did not say it was the norm. However you can not denie that there are a lot of trainers who do tie horses high and use gimmicks even at shows.


The last time I checked the western pleasure horse does not require specialized shoes to compete.

No however they do not need them to trot slow and do a slow lope.

The burnout rate for western pleasure is far less than reining which IS very demanding on the horse.

Yes reining is a demanding sport. Some horsed do burn out. I have yet to have one but I know they do. Especially the ones who run for world titles. Unlike AQHA to get an NRHA World title it requires a lot of showing.

I have seen many reining horses at 2 years of age that are over bent, over bitted, and loping in way to tight of circles way to early in their training.
But I have also seen good trainers with reining horses who start 'em slower.

I watched AL Dunning's "Reining Fundamentals" and I was totally shocked. His horses in the video were WAYYY to behind the bit and over bent; plus almost every horse has a training fork on it... they looked stressed and not at all happy.

There are those who push the 2yo. You see is more with the aged event trainers who are old school. It takes a lot to get a horse ready for the aged events. This is one of my biggest complaint about having to pay up the weanlings into the futurity now.

Western pleasure horses and reining horses can both compete well into their golden years; however I see many more pleasure horses who are shown and winning over the age of 6 than in reining, where it seems horses over the age of 3 are not often seen at breed shows....
This is to address the part in italics. The reason for this is b/c one reiners do not show breed shows except as practice shows. SO you will not see many reiners showing in places like the AQHA. Also with the fact that when it comes to the mares and stallions they are more valuable as breeding stock then show stock at that point. SO once they have been proven they are retired and are used for breeding. You will find quite a few geldings still showing in NRHA well into their 20's. They get passed from non pro to non pro as their owners move up.
     
    04-18-2010, 09:38 PM
  #56
Trained
Well said, nrhareiner.

Look, every sport has its broken down horses and its well-kept horses. I've seen WP horses that have been broken down, although don't ask me how. And although reining is very demanding of the horse if you have a fit reiner its no problem. I had a reiner a few years back who could rein all day and couldn't be burnt out. It was impossible, I swear. He was so hot I had to tear around the arena six or seven times before the edge was taken off. But then on the other hand there are horses like Junior who are worn out after two runs. It just depends on the horse and the rider and how fit both of the are.
     
    04-18-2010, 09:48 PM
  #57
Yearling
Hes a true idiot. Nuff' said. SO I am guessing this person is the god of riding and must be the best rider in the world?
     
    04-18-2010, 10:26 PM
  #58
Showing
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Originally Posted by Tasia    
SO I am guessing this person is the god of riding and must be the best rider in the world?
^^oh yeah ;)
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    04-18-2010, 10:34 PM
  #59
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasia    
Hes a true idiot. Nuff' said. SO I am guessing this person is the god of riding and must be the best rider in the world?
No that's me!!! Kidding :)
     
    04-19-2010, 12:56 AM
  #60
Trained
I emailed him the link to this thread.
     

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