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    11-17-2011, 10:01 PM
  #11
Trained
Thanks! I will look for them!
     
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    11-20-2011, 08:07 PM
  #12
Foal
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I would suggest to take your trainer's advice under advisement. Some trainers know about bits, some don't. Some just follow what is common for bitting reining horses. Reiners are usually bitting in correctionals. Curbs bits with various ports in them as finished horses.

I think that's great that you are going to a Myler clinic. That will give you quite a different perspective. It's technology based on tongue relief. Dale is quite a good speaker.

I would suggest waiting until you see the clinic or get information on the Myler Bitting System.

The biggest change for you is the lack of contact. A curb bit allows you to be softer with your hands. I'm sure the trainer can show you how.

A ported bit is a wonderful thing!

Good luck.

Reinersue
Susan Dahl, Myler Bitting System technical bit certified, Member of Toklat's Myler (bit) Ride Team.
     
    11-20-2011, 08:23 PM
  #13
Trained
There may be something to the expensive bits. I REALLY like fancy bits and the one that are made by true craftsmen will be worth the money. Money spent on a nice bit is money well spent. Spurs however are for the human only. The only part that will contact the horse is the rowel, the rest of it is for show. If you want to buy $500 spurs then great but your horse won't perform better than it would with a $50 spur.
     
    11-20-2011, 08:29 PM
  #14
Trained
Thanks Sue-I look forward to it. Stagecoach WEst typically has one every spring, so I just have to check the schedule.

Kevin-I love buying great quality stuff for my horses, and I DO "get it". But, if I can find one that is the same metals in the same places (sweet iron, copper, etc) and the same mouth-once they figure out what he needs....I may be able to find one for less. WHo knows. With all the $$ I have in training this horse, frankly, this is a drop in the bucket.
     
    11-21-2011, 12:02 AM
  #15
Trained
You can spend more on a fancy bit even in Mylars they make a show bit and they are several hundred $$ more then their plane counter part. Dose not make them a better bit they just look nicer. For reining you will see both. Some riders like the fancy bits and some do not. Thing is that no amount of money is wasted on the fancier bits as they will last you forever if you take proper care of them. Most only show in them. Personally I can not see paying that price for one. Maybe some day. I have 2 head stalls that where custom made for me as I wanted a certain type of things. Each bridle can be made into 3 different bridles. Yes they cost a bit more but they serve triple duty. So there are ways to get very nice stuff still pay a good price but save in the end too.
     
    11-21-2011, 05:50 AM
  #16
Trained
Understand, and yes, I have noticed that you do see both. If I thought that once we figure out exactly what he needs we would stay with it that would be one thing. But it sounds like you change bits more with reining? Is that true? And what about Les Vogt bits? They are certainly nice looking too, and not quite as pricey. I have also noticed that the good ones DO hold their value, but are rarely if ever resold.(like on ebay....).

Thanks again for your input-I certainly value all of it as respected members of this community.
     
    11-21-2011, 08:22 AM
  #17
Foal
There used to be that idea that a horse would need A certain bit and that was it - once you found the right one, you were set. I don't think so.

I would suggest that as a horse matures in it's training or it's life, a horse would stay calmer and more responsive with a bit suited to it's maturity. (This is part of the Myler bitting system philosophy).
Not sure? ..... try it. The best thing is to experience it.

Quality is quality. I would suggest that riders buy the best they can afford for all their equipment. A bit is a communication tool so it's one of the important items to spend as much as you can.

I believe there is a difference with the bits that are made using the myler bitting system. Myler's are the high end but other bit manufacturers make knockoffs, including Les Vogt. Most of the others do.

I think it would be best to keep the horse in mind. I would suggest looking at a Myler type mouthpiece - they are different.

Good luck.
     
    11-21-2011, 11:03 AM
  #18
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Understand, and yes, I have noticed that you do see both. If I thought that once we figure out exactly what he needs we would stay with it that would be one thing. But it sounds like you change bits more with reining? Is that true? And what about Les Vogt bits? They are certainly nice looking too, and not quite as pricey. I have also noticed that the good ones DO hold their value, but are rarely if ever resold.(like on ebay....).

Thanks again for your input-I certainly value all of it as respected members of this community.

I found that once he is fully trained you may generally use one bit, however, as you know, horses are always a work in progress and problems will arise. Having different bits to work with when problems come up helps. That way you always have options. In my opinion I don't think it's a waste of money to buy different bits. For me I prefer to have a different couple ring snaffles, smooth and twisted wire. I have a couple of short shanked snaffle mouthed bits, one of them with a dogbone. I have a couple different correction bits, one with the regular port and one with the squared port. (one of my favorites)

I had one of the Les Vogt bits, I think it was a medium port with the Elko star cheek. I traded it off. Not because I didn't like it but if I was going to have a bit of that style I would rather have one that will hold its value. But I think they run along the same lines as the Bob Avila bits.

Like Kevin said above, I like the fancy bits as well. Depending on the name they can be affordable. One can buy a Garcia at Capriolas for about $350. You can find them on Ebay too. I have noticed Tietjen bits went up in price since he passed away. But you used to find them for about $150 and up depending. Plus they are easy to take care because they are stainless. Flemming and Grijalva are going to be considerably more. Just like anything you can spend as little or as much as you want. I found the bits with the half breed mouthpiece are the easiest to re-sell and my horses like these mouthpieces the best. And they are the most popular with the cowboys here. What I consider the oddball mouthpieces like a Mona Lisa and Frog are harder to trade or sell. But your trainer will probably let you know what your horse will need to show in. I have different variations, some covered(hooded) and some with tongue relief and so on. I posted a couple pics below. The Las Cruces is a Garcia with the San Juaquin mouthpiece. And the other is a custom bit made by Les Iveson with the traditional half breed. These are just two of many more.... some girls like shoe shopping, I like bit shopping!

If you decide to get a nice bit down the road, let me know what you want. I may be able to find one for you. I am always looking...

And keep in mind, if you go with this style of bit to show/ride in. They are ridden with rawhide romel reins traditionally. Another investment...buying quality reins are important to me as well.
     
    11-21-2011, 05:26 PM
  #19
Trained
Thanks! Those seem to look very different than what I see here in the east. I too love to shop for most anything for my horses-they have more accessories than I do, which would explain a 2 horse trailer with tack room that can only carry one horse....lol. So, I am sure that when the time comes, I will get a selection.

Anxious to get the word from the trainer for sure.
     
    11-22-2011, 10:39 AM
  #20
Trained
Those bits are more what you would see at a cow horse show then a reining show.
     

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