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    04-13-2013, 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
GH....notice something? Muppet and the other reiners obviously haven't dealt much with " the free spirited arabian horse"....
But it was a serious statement. I started a youngster once, longed him. Two laps, then he handed me the longe and said" you run in circles, I'm not stupid".
I would really like to hear what people who trained reining Arabs say about what to look for and what to avoid at all cost. I can imagine training one is not without problems. Too much pressure and they freak, too little and they " dance on your nose" as we Germans say.
I think somewhere along the line of Muppet's approach....?
Bahaha haven't dealt with a free spirited Arab! I'm not stupid! Lol! The reining patterns ask for three big fast circles, not 25!! But in all seriousness WSArabians I believe has shown reining Arabs......waiting for her to show up!
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    04-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Oh, right, you mentioned that
Some years ago I spent a night in the indoor arena of European QH championship. We had a filly there, and I couldn't sleep, so I checked out the reiners, who had the arena all night after classes finished, for practice. There was this girl, not more than 16, 17. Cigarette and chewing gum, practicing stops. 20, 30;times, ran that horse in the wall, smoking, and chewing, mouth open. Smiling too. Any Arab I've ever known would have dumped her after the second time. And I was pretty close to pulling her off that poor horse. She wasn't the only one doing it either. I think if you have to do that still, you don't belong in a championship, first of all.
And second, this kind of, let's say obedience, passiveness, from the horse....idk, something's wrong.......
I am not saying everybody does it that way, just to make that clear. It was a long time ago, I'm sure methods have changed.
    04-13-2013, 06:31 PM
Keep in mind that there are different levels of reiners. What you would look for in a green reiner or a lower level non pro horse is NOT going to be the same as you would look for in an upper level open reiner.

When I am looking for a prospect. I want a horse who is very "UP" With a good mind trainable and willing. These horses can be a bit hard to start but if you do it correctly they make great reiners. You also will have different levels of reaction. I want my reiners to be very reactive. However this type of reiner is not great for a non pro rider. They are harder to work harder to ride and so on but they make the best upper level reiners. Now if you are stacy Westfal and are looking for a horse to do free style like the mare she showed Roxy reactive not so good. So you need to know not only your level but what you want to use the horse for with in the reining shows. Since I want open level reiners who when finished I can ride and show I want a horse who is very up and reactive and I use a very good trainer. Once finished I have enough experiance to work and ride these horses. However you must be able to ride a reiner. These horses are very smart and know when you know how to ride and what to ask. They do not need to be lunged once started. You MUST keep them guessing. Breeding comes into play a lot at the higher levels.

Now if all you are looking for is a green lower level non pro horse who on a good day can mark a 68 then you are going to look for a totaly different type of horse. However these horses still need to be trainable with a good mind. However you may not want a horse that is as "up" as I would and you will not want such a reactive horse.

A horse who is not up and reactive you will never get them there. It is not in their personality. However I can take an up and reactive horse and train them to the point that they will work very well for most riders who are willing to give a bit of effort. I personally will never own the former and will always look for the other.
    04-13-2013, 06:35 PM
She was fencing the horse? Fencing unfortunately is a very misunderstood training tool, it's actually used to improve the run down, not to actually 'stop' the horse. The end result is a stop, but it's really the quality of the run down that dictates the slide stop.

Fencing also helps to stop a horse from anticipating the stop, essentially run him down the arena and let the fence stop him ie. Don't stop running unless I tell you to or the fence tells you too. Although practicing lots of run downs around the arena by speeding up down the long side and across the arena diagonally and picking the horse up and slowing him down on the short side and in the corners can help with anticipation too.

I've seen someone ride a horse right into a fence. But most good trainers know how to utilize fencing properly. It requires a lot of confidence and trust in your horse to fence properly.
    04-13-2013, 06:41 PM
NRHAreiner, you are so right on the open level horses, I've ridden quite a few and they are a whole lot of horse! The darned run downs on them are scary!!! I'm not at that level, and I immediately feel like there are far too many buttons for me to manage! Enjoy riding them, but like it toned back a bit to match my level of riding!

A good open horse is harder to ride than a mediocre rookie Reiner level horse for a novice rider.....
    04-13-2013, 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
A good open horse is harder to ride than a mediocre rookie Reiner level horse for a novice rider.....
LOL a bit like a novice like me getting on a Grand Prix Dressage horse, so many apps installed that you keep getting things that you didn't expect A friend of mine rode an upper level horse, she was trying to get a simple canter, horse goes "Ah you are asking for canter half pass....Ok nope, well maybe 2 time changes? Nope, OK I got nothing, off you get"
    04-13-2013, 07:34 PM
My most fabulous friend trains and shows open level horses.....lets say when I ride her horses I'm thinking! They yell 'yes ma'am at you! And you're toast if you have unsteady legs!!!
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    04-13-2013, 08:02 PM
I was on an open level horse once. I thought I would puke from the spin......and I nearly fell off! THe trainer almost wet his pants.

Sidenote-NRHA-you in Texas at the NRBC? I am looking forward to watching some friends on Wednesday on the webcast.
    04-13-2013, 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
I was on an open level horse once. I thought I would puke from the spin......and I nearly fell off! THe trainer almost wet his pants.

Sidenote-NRHA-you in Texas at the NRBC? I am looking forward to watching some friends on Wednesday on the webcast.
Ok, what webcast????? It's so very seldom one gets to watch live reining without travelling to the show!! Can you post the link and details?

Ps. Don't you love the 'oh my god! I'm going to tip right off and over this horses shoulder!' feeling you get after one of those crazy spins!!!
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    04-13-2013, 08:46 PM
This should be it. Show starts Wednesday, I believe.

Free Live Webcast from Waltenberry, Inc.

Here is the link to the show:
National Reining Breeders Classic

You can pull up the draws so that you have some idea of when some of the "big boys (and girls) ride.
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