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post #71 of 93 Old 07-12-2011, 03:08 PM
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While that might work in some disciplines having a trainer ride and work a horse it does not matter in others. Does not matter who well trained a horse is. If you can not ride it correctly and get it shown it will not make a difference.

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post #72 of 93 Old 07-12-2011, 03:14 PM
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True my example was from the High School Equestrian Teams point of view- we were a small team competing against some very fierce riders. They were good but we did not have the luxury of having a trainer on staff- I as the coach was forbidden from riding any horse during any part of the show. We weren't fortunate enough to have expensive show horses that were going to show at the World Championship the next month like many of the other schools did. Im just saying that I was a rule that needed to be enforced and wasn't. I guess it was just the fact that the other teams were already going to beat us and having their trainer was just another blow. Long story but we had a very unenthusiastic team which didn't help our chances. They refused to ride like a team and everyone thought that it was their own horse show.
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I agree that if it is a rule then it needs to be enforced.

In the end if you can not get a horse shown it does not matter who is riding it the rest of the time. Still not going to win.

Too bad you could not get those on your team to get going as anyone has a chance on any given day when it comes to horse shows.

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The thing that burns me about shows is people that come that are WAY to over qualified. I hate going to a 4H show, and their are kids there riding their parents 4X AQHA World Champion. It's not right, and it ruins the show for all the other people. I am all about competing and trying your hardest to win, but in my eyes, that's cheating. It's just entering something you can breeze through and get easy cash. Some people take it as a challenge, "someday I WILL beat that person" but they make it so dadgum impossible for kids to move on in their show careers, since all they see is them loosing to somebody with more money than them.
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One thing that I have to say about the kicking, give me a fit or not, but I have a mare that kicks. And it's because she has been kicked over, and over, and over, and shows, that she is flat out terrified of horses around her. She enjoys shows, and tries her hardest, but it's when somebody feels it's okay to stick their horses nose in her flank or up her but she gets upset. I can put a ribbon in her tail, tell everyone that she does kick, but they still feel the urge to come up to her at a lope, and stop right behind her. Thanks for scaring the crap out of my horse, I warned you. I've tried many times to break her of her fear, and she is getting better (I've actually riden her in drill with no problems), but sometimes you have idiots that figure every horse at a show is perfect, and has a perfect manners, and isn't going to get scared of another horse.

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The thing that burns me about shows is people that come that are WAY to over qualified. I hate going to a 4H show, and their are kids there riding their parents 4X AQHA World Champion. It's not right, and it ruins the show for all the other people. I am all about competing and trying your hardest to win, but in my eyes, that's cheating. It's just entering something you can breeze through and get easy cash. Some people take it as a challenge, "someday I WILL beat that person" but they make it so dadgum impossible for kids to move on in their show careers, since all they see is them loosing to somebody with more money than them.
Thank you!!! I totally agree not everyone has been blessed with parents that can afford a horse like that. The rest of us have to work our tails off to earn our blue ribbons!
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I agree that if it is a rule then it needs to be enforced.

In the end if you can not get a horse shown it does not matter who is riding it the rest of the time. Still not going to win.

Too bad you could not get those on your team to get going as anyone has a chance on any given day when it comes to horse shows.
agreed but when a kid brings in their parents champion and competes against kids with good but still not world champion horses most judges go for the champ just because of the tack and out fit- I have personally competed (several times at the 4H level)against a girl that had a gorgeous Champion paint gelding that had the flashy saddle and out fit (any yes trainer rode the horse before class). This girl completely bombed the class wrong lead bad transitions completely wrong horsemanship pattern- while I had a wonderful class. She got first and I quote from the Judge-" I like your horse more than the others!!" I just wish that the judges would be more fair and give ribbons to those who deserve them.
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agreed but when a kid brings in their parents champion and competes against kids with good but still not world champion horses most judges go for the champ just because of the tack and out fit- I have personally competed (several times at the 4H level)against a girl that had a gorgeous Champion paint gelding that had the flashy saddle and out fit (any yes trainer rode the horse before class). This girl completely bombed the class wrong lead bad transitions completely wrong horsemanship pattern- while I had a wonderful class. She got first and I quote from the Judge-" I like your horse more than the others!!" I just wish that the judges would be more fair and give ribbons to those who deserve them.

AGREED. I trained, and trained, and trained my horse, and I just had a simple show saddle. Sure, it was expensive, but it didn't silver plating or anything. I showed in blue jeans and a western shirt. But, every show, I'd get beat by a horse who was riden down by the trainer, then had a 8 year old girl stuck on top of her right before they went in the arena. They had it all, big saddle, $500 shirt, you name it. She was hitting all the wrong leads, turned to the fence, walked instead of trotting. But, her horse was obviously limping in his hind left, it looked like he had his whole leg fused together. So, she got placed first, and got last, even though my horse was one of the best in the whole arena (without being cocky, I'm just saying). It took three more enteries and first place ribbons before the judge excused her from the arena for a lame horse.

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This is why I like the way that the Intercollegiate Horse Show Association does a show. You provide the rider/ clothes and each host school provides the horse- you draw from a hat and get about a 30 min warm up with it then the real horsemanship comes out! That is real showing to me if you want to see who is a better rider! Get on a horse that you've never seen before and compete in everything from flat to fences to reining!
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If the judge is pinning the horse for the wrong reason then there needs to be something said to the show promoters and then from them to the judge. If he keeps doing in then just do not use him/her again.

This is the problem with open shows and even 4H shows. There is no set standard for judges.

In the end if the judges are fair and correct the rider still has to ride the horse. It dose not matter if the horse is a world champion or not. If you can not ride it correctly and get it shown it makes no difference.

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