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        12-21-2012, 05:57 AM
      #61
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    Originally Posted by LostDragonflyWings    
    Unfortunately, I qualify to post here!

    About 2 years ago we had a dog that was suffering from seizures who ended up losing her ability to walk on her own, and then the ability to stand on her own (meanwhile under diagnostic testing and treatment/medication). Sadly, we ended up having to put her to sleep. During the time she could not walk on her own, I had to carry her outside/inside to go potty on a regular basis.... as well as in/out of the car to go to the vet/emergency room, then to/from the car when we got to the vet/emergency room.

    I weigh/weighed approx. 105 pounds and am currently 20 yrs old. The dog weighed 50 pounds (mostly "dead"--no pun intended-- weight, since she could not get around on her own). Needless to say, the lifting and carrying on a regular basis did me in and while I was crouched over to do something non-related, I heard a noise and it was my back!

    It hurt a lot for a few days to the point of even hurting without movement, no way to relieve it, etc., then the pain kind of wore off. I think it was a few months (or maybe sooner, I don't remember) later I started to have issues with my sciatic nerve down my left leg. I dealt with it for a few months. Then, my lower back started to hurt a lot on/off, and I lived with that for about a month or so. The last straw was when it started to affect my riding, in that the leg sometimes became slightly numb, I was not able to "control" the leg and keep it still as well as the other, it was still painful, etc. At one point, I was riding and it felt like a metal steak drove into my lower back.

    After that, I started seeing a chiropractor every week for a few months. My L4 was misaligned, as well as a disc in my neck (I have had very frequent migraines for YEARS... and now know why), and my hips were a tiny bit uneven with eachother. Insurance stopped paying for the adjustments, and I almost stopped going because it was like I hit a peak where the treatment was almost 100% successful, then it started going downhill again. I stuck with it and they started doing a massage prior to the adjustment which helped a lot at first. Now I am down to once every other week and am still dealing with some pain. The lower back pain is MORE of an issue than the sciatic pain down my leg (which also went into my right leg during the first months of treatment). When the sciatic pain was at its worse, if I was sitting I would not be able to stand and stretch all the way up to be able to walk "normally", but would have to limp a little. Now, if I sit for long periods of time, or stand still for around 15-30 minutes or longer, my lower back will start to hurt, then the sciatic nerve will kick in on my left leg. There is no way to immediately get rid of the pain, but sitting down (painful at first) helps, and after an hour or so the pain diminishes. Thankfully, I haven't had any recent problems with riding as a trigger for my pain, it is most often just standing and talking to somebody (I am usually okay if I am on my feet walking around doing things) that triggers it.

    I was initially told by my chiropractor to stop sleeping on my stomach, which has helped with my migraines, but I still get them a few times a week (though it is much less often than before and much less severe). Also, I sometimes wake up with lower back pain, but not very often.

    So, in short, riding did nothing to cause my issues, but deep down inside I always worry that a bad fall could make the pain worse. It is more so the barn chores and things around the house that do me in (dragging things, lifting semi-heavy things, picking my horse's hind feet when he insists to let me hold all the weight of his leg, etc.).

    As a side note, I also received 3 sessions of TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) a while back, but none recently. We bought one of our own to use at home, but have yet to do so. I personally didn't really feel a difference when I had it done.
    Its interesting you say that the pain is worse if you stand for a while.
    You may find that the root cause is misalignment of the feet, for faulty biomechanics in this area directly affects the sacroiliac joint.
    Obviously there are other problems, but the feet are the area I would be looking for grass roots causes.
    Aside from perhaps a little more treatment from the chiropractor, it would be most wise to be assessed for prescription orthotics.
    Orthotics will correct the faulty foot posture and thus stabilise the sacroiliac joint.
    This will minimise the back pain, which will in turn help rebalance the neck too.
    My own experience in this field is that semi flexible orthotics are more suited to this , as rigid orthotics can irritate the foot (other practitioners may argue with me on this subject, and we all have our own opinions on this)
    But please ensure that the orthotics are prescription and not prefabricated!!!
    These links will give you some more info on choosing orthotics and prescriber
    Choosing the right Orthotics by Dr Les Bailey phd,DO,acopm,apta..A Les Bailey orthotics article | PRLog

    prefabricated versus prescription orthotics by Les Bailey ( Dr Les Bailey phd, DO,acopm, apta | PRLog

    All the very best with your backproblems, and Ihope this helps.
    Dr Les Bailey
    Dr Les Bailey phd,DO,Acopm,Apta
         
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        12-21-2012, 06:34 AM
      #62
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LostDragonflyWings    
    Unfortunately, I qualify to post here!

    About 2 years ago we had a dog that was suffering from seizures who ended up losing her ability to walk on her own, and then the ability to stand on her own (meanwhile under diagnostic testing and treatment/medication). Sadly, we ended up having to put her to sleep. During the time she could not walk on her own, I had to carry her outside/inside to go potty on a regular basis.... as well as in/out of the car to go to the vet/emergency room, then to/from the car when we got to the vet/emergency room.

    I weigh/weighed approx. 105 pounds and am currently 20 yrs old. The dog weighed 50 pounds (mostly "dead"--no pun intended-- weight, since she could not get around on her own). Needless to say, the lifting and carrying on a regular basis did me in and while I was crouched over to do something non-related, I heard a noise and it was my back!

    It hurt a lot for a few days to the point of even hurting without movement, no way to relieve it, etc., then the pain kind of wore off. I think it was a few months (or maybe sooner, I don't remember) later I started to have issues with my sciatic nerve down my left leg. I dealt with it for a few months. Then, my lower back started to hurt a lot on/off, and I lived with that for about a month or so. The last straw was when it started to affect my riding, in that the leg sometimes became slightly numb, I was not able to "control" the leg and keep it still as well as the other, it was still painful, etc. At one point, I was riding and it felt like a metal steak drove into my lower back.

    After that, I started seeing a chiropractor every week for a few months. My L4 was misaligned, as well as a disc in my neck (I have had very frequent migraines for YEARS... and now know why), and my hips were a tiny bit uneven with eachother. Insurance stopped paying for the adjustments, and I almost stopped going because it was like I hit a peak where the treatment was almost 100% successful, then it started going downhill again. I stuck with it and they started doing a massage prior to the adjustment which helped a lot at first. Now I am down to once every other week and am still dealing with some pain. The lower back pain is MORE of an issue than the sciatic pain down my leg (which also went into my right leg during the first months of treatment). When the sciatic pain was at its worse, if I was sitting I would not be able to stand and stretch all the way up to be able to walk "normally", but would have to limp a little. Now, if I sit for long periods of time, or stand still for around 15-30 minutes or longer, my lower back will start to hurt, then the sciatic nerve will kick in on my left leg. There is no way to immediately get rid of the pain, but sitting down (painful at first) helps, and after an hour or so the pain diminishes. Thankfully, I haven't had any recent problems with riding as a trigger for my pain, it is most often just standing and talking to somebody (I am usually okay if I am on my feet walking around doing things) that triggers it.

    I was initially told by my chiropractor to stop sleeping on my stomach, which has helped with my migraines, but I still get them a few times a week (though it is much less often than before and much less severe). Also, I sometimes wake up with lower back pain, but not very often.

    So, in short, riding did nothing to cause my issues, but deep down inside I always worry that a bad fall could make the pain worse. It is more so the barn chores and things around the house that do me in (dragging things, lifting semi-heavy things, picking my horse's hind feet when he insists to let me hold all the weight of his leg, etc.).

    As a side note, I also received 3 sessions of TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) a while back, but none recently. We bought one of our own to use at home, but have yet to do so. I personally didn't really feel a difference when I had it done.
    PS.. as an aside to the last reply,you will also find this linkuseful too as it deals directly with orthotics and the sacroiliac joint

    Dr Les Bailey phd,DO,acopm,apta (int part) discusses ORTHOTICS AND THE SACRO ILIAC JOINT | PRLog

    I think you could find prescription orthotics will be most beneficial
    Dr Les Bailey
    Dr Les Bailey phd, DO Acopm, Apta
         
        12-21-2012, 01:38 PM
      #63
    Foal
    Dr. Bailey, I still have the saddle and am now comfortably riding in it. I had stopped riding in my thinline pad and when I switched to the close contact of the albion it aggravated my lower back. I started riding in the thinline again and it stopped the concussion. But I had to recover from the damage I had done. Thankfully that has been successful.
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        12-21-2012, 02:01 PM
      #64
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by elleng0728    
    Dr. Bailey, I still have the saddle and am now comfortably riding in it. I had stopped riding in my thinline pad and when I switched to the close contact of the albion it aggravated my lower back. I started riding in the thinline again and it stopped the concussion. But I had to recover from the damage I had done. Thankfully that has been successful.
    I think the impact of a saddle can make all the difference to spinal comfort.
    Its always worth trying different saddles .
    A good shock absorbing one is a great idea as it deadens the" jolt" effect .
    Thanks for the interest.
    Dr Les Bailey
    Dr Les Bailey phd, DO, Acopm, Apta
         
        12-21-2012, 02:29 PM
      #65
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by drlesbailey    
    Osteopaths in the USA are very different from UK osteopaths.
    In the USA the osteopath is trained to use drugs and work like a GP does here.
    The core of osteopathy, eg manipulation, takes more of a back seat in most DO,s practices, although their core principles are those first expounded by Andrew Taylor Still .
    In the UK an osteopath is trained in musculoskeletal conditions and refers other medical conditions to a GP.
    So in the USA it is usual to see ones osteopath like we see a GP in the UK.
    It sounds like horse riding is actually mobilising your pelvis and the chiropractor is adjusting it back on track every now and then!!
    Maybe you should include the horse in your list of therapists
    Some yoga or Pilates may be the answer to your lack of flexibility whilst mounting and dismounting? It could be worth asking the osteopath or chiro for their advice about this?
    As for needing an ice pack on your butt after a 6 hour ride....I think any of us would need the same after that long in the saddle!!!
    Dr Les Bailey
    Here in OK the osteopaths are American trained but stick more closely to the principals of manipulation, or mine does. He also prefers a more holistic and naturopath way of treating disease, which is why I like him so much.

    The problem with the hip is, when it's out I can't lift the leg well to get on and off the horse, and I don't necessarily know it's out before I try to mount. So, that's why the horses are trained to be rock steady on mounting and dismounting. When my hip is aligned properly, I can swing on and off with ease well, as well as an old lady can anyhow. I use a mounting block too, no way can I mount anything taller than a 10 hh Shetland from the ground anymore!

    Thanks for a great threat, there's some really informative, helpful stuff in here.
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        12-21-2012, 02:41 PM
      #66
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Here in OK the osteopaths are American trained but stick more closely to the principals of manipulation, or mine does. He also prefers a more holistic and naturopath way of treating disease, which is why I like him so much.

    The problem with the hip is, when it's out I can't lift the leg well to get on and off the horse, and I don't necessarily know it's out before I try to mount. So, that's why the horses are trained to be rock steady on mounting and dismounting. When my hip is aligned properly, I can swing on and off with ease well, as well as an old lady can anyhow. I use a mounting block too, no way can I mount anything taller than a 10 hh Shetland from the ground anymore!

    Thanks for a great threat, there's some really informative, helpful stuff in here.
    So glad you are enjoying the thread so much.
    Im hoping to do more, as its been well received!!
    Sounds like your osteopath is a real stalwart of what osteopathy originally stood for!!
    I know your osteopath has obviously thought of it, but have you had the hip x rayed to rule out osteoarthritis?
    Have you or him thought about orthotics to stabilise the feet and align the sacroiliac?

    Dr Les Bailey phd,DO,acopm,apta (int part) discusses ORTHOTICS AND THE SACRO ILIAC JOINT | PRLog

    Problem is I can't see the area of pain from across the ocean!!
    I wish you all the best with this, and give your osteopath a pat on the back from the UK

    Dr Les Bailey
    Dr Les Bailey phd, DO, Acopm, Apta
         
        12-21-2012, 04:16 PM
      #67
    Foal
    No worries im 22 and we use a mounting block with all our horses for our backs and theirs
    Posted via Mobile Device
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        12-21-2012, 06:22 PM
      #68
    Foal
    [QUOTE=Inedine;1809491]No worries im 22 and we use a mounting block with all our horses for our backs and theirs
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    I think the idea of mounting from a block is so much better than putting strain on the horse by using the stirrup.
    As you correctly say,this puts needless strain on the horse, as well as the rider.
    When I learned to ride, I always used a block,more for the horses comfort than mine I might add!!
    Dr Les Bailey
         
        12-22-2012, 12:50 PM
      #69
    Yearling
    I have a herniated disk between L4 & L5, a fracture of the L5 parr & my hip socket has damage & arthritise from a fall 20 years ago. When I hernated the disk, I was away from ridding. The spine specialist I saw told me to stay away from horses as it would cause too much pain. My chriopractor (whom is my angle) told me, as long as you can deal with it, try it. I started regular lessons this spring & it has help immensely! With in the first 6 months, I gained so much core strength & lost 15lbs & now almost 4 jean sizes. I went from seeing my chiro every few weeks to almost 9 months without needing an adjustment. He agrees that the core strength & the motion through my hips has helped with my pain managment.
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        12-22-2012, 01:03 PM
      #70
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by littrella    
    I have a herniated disk between L4 & L5, a fracture of the L5 parr & my hip socket has damage & arthritise from a fall 20 years ago. When I hernated the disk, I was away from ridding. The spine specialist I saw told me to stay away from horses as it would cause too much pain. My chriopractor (whom is my angle) told me, as long as you can deal with it, try it. I started regular lessons this spring & it has help immensely! With in the first 6 months, I gained so much core strength & lost 15lbs & now almost 4 jean sizes. I went from seeing my chiro every few weeks to almost 9 months without needing an adjustment. He agrees that the core strength & the motion through my hips has helped with my pain managment.
    Thats a great story!
    Im very pleased for you, and I hope this continues.
    The fracture of the pars is known as a spondylylolisis, which, put simply, is a spondylolisthesis that has not shifted and stayed in place.
    You may be interested in this article I wrote a while back on spondylolisthesis

    Spondylolisthesis by Dr Les Bailey, Les Bailey | PRLog

    Very best wishes to you and thank you for your input.
    Dr Les Bailey
    Dr Les Bailey phd, DO, Acopm, Apta
         

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