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        10-17-2013, 10:56 PM
      #11
    Showing
    I'd bet money on it he either knows nothing about your equine activities, or got a bad scare when riding a horse. Doctors seem to project this on their patients. A survey was done of various doctors regarding the sporting activities pregnant women shouldn't do and each was a reflection of what the doctor couldn't do.
         
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        10-18-2013, 06:50 AM
      #12
    Yearling
    Get a second opinion from a sports orthopod. It may be that your knee will never be as functional as you like, or it could be your surgeon isn't up on the latest and greatest. As far as the differing opinions between PT and the Doc, that's quite normal. I'm not knocking PTs, they got me walking again but quite often they don't understand the extent of the original injury.

    All that having been said, if the second opinion mirrors the first you may have to change your path in life. I know that seems harsh, but trust me (as I pop Advil like candy) no matter how much you seem to want to do something it is not worth limping forever or worse limiting your mobility for the rest of your life.
         
        10-18-2013, 09:10 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    I'll tell ya why he sold you the world pre-surgery, on your potential recovery post surgery.......he didn't have your money yet. Now that you've paid him, he'll tell you what he really thinks.

    I'm going to offer a suggestion on some stuff for you to study. But before I do, I want to say, that you will likely encounter people with zero knowledge, and absolutely no experience on the subject, who may try to convince you that it's not worth spending any time researching this area. But just keep this in mind, those people have ZERO experience, so is it worth taking their advice.?

    It's really simple too. The foods we put into our bodies will build them and repair them or do the exact opposite. That's the simple bit. The difficult part for some people is taking that leap of faith to experience it, and letting go of everything else. But I'm going to tell you exactly what your doctor won't....your body has an amazing ability to heal. Especially at your age, you have the potential to see dramatic changes for the better.

    Look into Arnold Ehret, Dr. Robert Morse, Loren Lockman, Dr. Douglas Graham.....for starters. There's so many more, but IMO these few will keep you busy enough and give you the knowledge you need to begin.

    Here's a short story from one of Dr. Morse's patients. This man was in a car wreck something like ,15 years?, before he met Dr. Morse. During the wreck his right femur was broken quite severely and it never healed properly. It actually fused back together at a 30 degree angle. Well fast forward 15 years to when he met Dr. Morse....10 months into following Dr. Morse's suggestions the femur straightened out.

    Simple story, but this type of thing, "actual healing", is very common to people who choose this path.

    One more thing I am going to suggest you look into is an herb called, comfrey, it's aptly dubbed, knit bone, and with good reason. Even without changing your eating lifestyle, I imagine you will see significant improvement with this herb, if you do the research on it you will see why I say this.
         
        10-18-2013, 09:41 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Here we go again. Total-has it occurred to you that you do not know the OP, her full medical history, or the physician you are bad mouthing? You have no right to question his motives. None at all. The OP has said she went to him specifically because he was highly recommended for her particular issue. I may be mistaken, but I believe you and I have had this"discussion" before. I find you and your advice irresponsible on an internet forum.
         
        10-18-2013, 10:03 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Franknbeans - When you gain the knowledge backed up by the experience of the real healing of the human body, then we can have a constructive discussion. Until you choose to do so, you're only giving your opinion on a subject you have ZERO experience with. Gain some experience and or knowledge of watching people with all sorts of various ailments have real healing of their bodies when they choose to nutrition and cleansing and you'll see why I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.

    But to continue to troll me and tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when you have never seen someone heal through proper nutrition and cleansing, while choosing a completely different path than the one you are familiar with, is quite....insane. How do you know that what I'm suggesting has no bearing when it's something you have no experience with. Just because you learned something along one path doesn't mean you know everything about the subject at hand, "healing", when it is along a completely different path than the one you chose.

    Let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food. - Hippocrates
    Also, refer to my signature quote below.
         
        10-18-2013, 10:26 PM
      #16
    Trained
    TF-I choose things scientifically based PROVEN through REAL research. By that I mean credible research at MAJOR centers with legitimate sample sizes, etc.

    I also will not be badmouthing an MD I know absolutely NOTHING about, saying, as you did, that he only wanted OP's $$. Undermining the relationship between a patient and and MD neither of whom you know at all is irresponsible.

    I am not a troll, but a professional, with a degree and a license to back it up, as well as 30+ years of experience, much in orthopedics, so don't accuse me of not having knowledge. You and I just happen to be on some of the same threads.....if I wanted to "troll" you , I would be commenting on your every post. I am not, nor do I have that much time to waste.

    I do not discard all alternative medicine at all-but it is not the be all and end all to EVERY issue imaginable. THAT is the sticking point I have with you. It can be very effective when used correctly in some case, and as an adjunct to conventional medicine.

    I have better things to do that to follow your every move. But when you and I happen upon each other, I will guarantee that I will call you on your "my way is the only way and it will save you from everything" mantra you seem to spew on every health thread around here.

    Oh-and I did just look up the people you recommended......one WAS an MD, whose license has been revoked, and he now practices in central America..... one died in 1922 (we have come a long way since then).....do I need to go on??....Again-SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. Not stories.
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        10-18-2013, 11:18 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Thank you for your advice total freedom I do appreciate it (surgeon comment aside, because if I really thought he was after only my money I wouldn't have gone to him reputation or no; and though I might be mad at him it doesn't stop me from realizing that he's done a lot to get me to where I am now, and respecting that.... I'm not an easy patient to deal with ). I do believe in the body's propensity to heal itself to an extent, but as for the dietary changes I'm not sure if those would work (or that I'm brave enough to try.... last thing I need right now is to accidentally poison myself! Lol). I can't explain it and do it justice (so forgive me if I butcher it), but the part of my knee that broke is the patella, the entire chunk of bone ripped free from the ligament with no leftover 'connection point' and had to be retrieved and screwed into the actual ligament. From my understanding we're basically trying to reconnect it to the tissue/blood supply and get it to regrow (which from my understanding we had an advantage because my growth plates were still in business and not quitting yet so we were getting extra help). So I don't know if something to help fix bone would be the same as something that would need to fix blood flow, regrowth/connection, as the bone and ligaments were undamaged (shocking considering that I walked about a mile, climbed, and was bending my knee without a knee cap....).

    I do weigh heavily on scientific research and trials though so I'm skeptical I'll say it now. I'm going to agree with franknbeans on the whole alternative medicine is not an end all be all. I'll be sure to look into it though to understand it better, as for experimenting on myself, right now I'm going to draw the line from alternative medicine at my cat experiment. :) Thank you for the responses they are cheering me up/helping me.
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        10-18-2013, 11:21 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by totalfreedom    
    franknbeans - When you gain the knowledge backed up by the experience of the real healing of the human body, then we can have a constructive discussion. Until you choose to do so, you're only giving your opinion on a subject you have ZERO experience with. Gain some experience and or knowledge of watching people with all sorts of various ailments have real healing of their bodies when they choose to nutrition and cleansing and you'll see why I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.

    But to continue to troll me and tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when you have never seen someone heal through proper nutrition and cleansing, while choosing a completely different path than the one you are familiar with, is quite....insane. How do you know that what I'm suggesting has no bearing when it's something you have no experience with. Just because you learned something along one path doesn't mean you know everything about the subject at hand, "healing", when it is along a completely different path than the one you chose.

    Let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food. - Hippocrates
    Also, refer to my signature quote below.
    TF, I have only read your posts on this thread, but obviously you are very into holistic medicine. And after reading your posts, I wouldn't be surprised you are a former teacher of mine.

    I AM someone who HAS studied holistic healing and medicine. And I am here to say I agree with Frank 110%. Yes, diet can AIDE in healing. But when you are "built wrong" you are simply "built wrong". PERIOD. I have seen first hand the damage & pain that a strictly holistic approach to healing can cause, and it pi**es me of to no end when ppl have the mentality you are projecting. There is a difference between "ABC worked for me, maybe talk to your Dr." and "the ONLY way to get better is xyz".



    In the case of the OP, sure a healthy diet will help, but the thought that cleansing & such are the only things that can promote true healing is wrong.
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        10-18-2013, 11:35 PM
      #19
    Trained
    Lets agree that a good diet does help the body to be strong and healthy, eating the right stuff provides all the fuel that the body needs to self repair. It is also true that the body is awesome at doing repairs, that is certainly true.

    Modern medicine is also great at helping fix stuff, and probably the best outcomes are when the patient and the doctor work together using the best of tradition and modern science.
         
        10-18-2013, 11:36 PM
      #20
    Started
    OP, I can't give you any advice or such on your issues, I have some of my own that need fixing too ;) I just wanted to wish you good luck!
         

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